Guess for all you yungins......Originally Posted by Keystone19
Remember >>>> outside = passing side and inside = suicide.
If you are behind it is up to YOU to make a safe passing manouver.
Che Che.
Iron Fist in a Velvet Glove
Guess for all you yungins......
Remember >>>> outside = passing side and inside = suicide.
If you are behind it is up to YOU to make a safe passing manouver.
Che Che.
Forum whore
it's a tad different on the track; I agree whole heartedly that the ownus is on the person passing to do it safe, inside or out.
What suprised me was a couple of racers making the passing moves, desperate to pass, cutting straight into the line of the bike in front. That i found rude and dangerous...passing on the insides all good as long as the bike infront aint using that line.
It was a race track but the level of experience for some can't deal with having to pick the bike up and choose another line once committed because someones darted into 'there' gap. Theres also the realisation that its an open day of different speeds and experience... the fast boys buzzing and cutting people up wasn't called for and probably gave a few people a bad experience.
Still... i had fun and i'm sure my red mist pissed someone off somewhere!
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Usually it is "recommended" that passing on the inside be left to actual organised race meets.
"If you're that good, pass them on the outside." were the words of an experienced racer/rider from Taupo.
Iron Fist in a Velvet Glove
Might have been a track but it was not a race........it's a tad different on the track; I agree whole heartedly that the ownus is on the person passing to do it safe, inside or out.
What suprised me was a couple of racers making the passing moves, desperate to pass, cutting straight into the line of the bike in front. That i found rude and dangerous...passing on the insides all good as long as the bike infront aint using that line.
It was a race track but the level of experience for some can't deal with having to pick the bike up and choose another line once committed because someones darted into 'there' gap. Theres also the realisation that its an open day of different speeds and experience... the fast boys buzzing and cutting people up wasn't called for and probably gave a few people a bad experience.
Still... i had fun and i'm sure my red mist pissed someone off somewhere!
"It is a tad different in a race ..... alternative start to the above post
Cheers
Peter
Forum whore
Hey i'm all up for safety, but there are scenarios where you will undertake.. Take coming up the hill for example.. Teh guy/gal infront of you goes up the middle of the track coming up the hill and ends up going outside on the front straight; The opportunity there is to undertake by allowing there momentum to take them wide while you cut up inside.
Diving into a corner on the inside of someone is a totally different ball game. (Incidently, thats why i apologised to SpeedMedic at Taupo..)
Still.. 'cos i haven't shit stirred for a while with you JSG, i'll have a dig
You're not exactly a symbol of safe riding now are ya
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Still.. 'cos i haven't shit stirred for a while with you JSG, i'll have a dig
You're not exactly a symbol of safe riding now are ya
Hahaha,
Do as I say, don't do as I do.
Have a good night fella - I'm off
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Hmm......
I'm too tired and even more ignorant to start a debate on the differences between passing on the inside, out-braking, blocking and pure dangerous passing/riding.
Hardcore Biker
Who ever said that hasn't ridden at Taupo. Unless your passing a pushbike. Its a long way round on the outside at Taupo.
To overtake on the outside of the left turn after the hairpin at Puke is dangerous. And that is because inexperienced riders tend to use as much of that part of the track as the inside. As before leave some room and all will be well. Remember it is a test day for racers at Puke. I like to give others room but I am not going to wait for a more powerful bike to go slow in the turns and then outpower you down the straights lap after lap. I will also assess the skill level of the rider in front. The faster they are the more aggressive will be the overtaking move. likewise I expect faster riders to aggressively pass me.
The hardest problem is knowing where a "slower rider" will place their bike. For example at the kink on the straight there could be a 100kmh difference in speed, the faster rider picks his line only for the slower rider to change direction and place their bike in the path of the faster bike. Bit hard to manuover at that speed. Slower riders need to be aware on a test day that speed differentials can be huge. Likewise faster riders should be more cautious.
Its hard to know where your bike should be. You only have to ask the faster riders what lines you should take and you'll not only learn a better way round the circuit but be faster and a be more satisfied and confident at the end of the day.
I believe most people attend these days to increase their bike handling skills and gain confidence in themselves and their bike. But you have to be aware you are not at a track day with sessions dedicated to your level of skill.
Motobob
Iron Fist in a Velvet Glove
...... and vice versa for the "racers"
Cheers
Forum whore
here's a question.. i know some of the quick guys (like the skinny guy on the r6) did a 1.05 (or something) around puke.. what about the slow people? yeah, i know this sounds really stupid, but would it be a complete waste of time taking my gf170 on puke, taking into account, most of the corners can be taken at..... my max bike speed?
“There's nothing more exhilarating than pointing out the shortcomings of others, is there? ”-Clerks
The Wise
Only did the one session but, had a blast,would stay wide at the hairpin when there were fast guys and gals around, let them go through didn't want to get in anyones way, not sure if that was the right place to be, would scare the shit out of me if someone came up the inside if I were hard over in the turn would be the last thing I would expect, I know I would do something silly and try and stand the bike up or sumthin, it can be hard trying to be quick yourself and try and stay out of the faster riders way.
Forum whore
and not to mention the worst person i know of to give advice on any of the above stated...
Forum whore
Only did the one session but, had a blast,would stay wide at the hairpin when there were fast guys and gals around, let them go through didn't want to get in anyones way, not sure if that was the right place to be, would scare the shit out of me if someone came up the inside if I were hard over in the turn would be the last thing I would expect, I know I would do something silly and try and stand the bike up or sumthin, it can be hard trying to be quick yourself and try and stay out of the faster riders way.
Oldguy - The best thing to do is enjoy YOUR track day and take the lines YOU want whilst not being irratic. Let the others assess your lines and go around you. Focus and worry on ya self
Zeroindex - take ya bike there mate; ya pay ya money and you have ya fun; I don't see why not. It's all about havin fun and gaining some confidence & skills.
ps.. motorBob, your right...on teh back straight people giving it death out wide on the left only to come back in on the kink had me worried a few times; i was constantly thinking, like im sure everyone else was, where they going next and where am i going
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Hardcore Biker
Well K12 we could go on for hours. Counties Racing web site says "Controlled Testing". We are lucky that Street bikes are allowed. Motorcycles do not have seperate sessions as do the race cars and road cars.
I'm not saying that "racebikes" have a right to ride as they please. I'm saying that the event is for racebikes to test outside of race events. Both parties need to consider each other to avoid accidents.
From my perch There was only one racebike going quick thru traffic. The rest were registered road bikes.
I certainly provide room for slower riders however others sense of timing is different. But thats cos I'm 50 and too scared to hurt myself.
PS I'll try to use my horn to warn people I'm coming next time. But its bloody hard to remember to use it out there.
Motobob
Weekend cruiser
. Rule is if you aren't the fastest out there then leave a little bit of room and stick to your line. Cos some guys have no manners at all and they like to add your paint to their fairings.
Thanks for the advice Motobob. Will definitely bear that in mind next time out. Trouble is, even though we are going nowhere near as fast as the fast guys, we still want to take what we think is the racing line and clip the apex. If a fast guy is coming up from behind sight unseen and is determined to clip that same apex........ well all I can say is my mate has a bit of someone elses paint on his fairing now. He had no way of knowing that guy was there until contact was made.
Having said that, its not tiddly winks and we all know the potential dangers when we head out onto a racetrack. Wont stop us from going back tho.
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