Fucking Managers!

[James Deuce]

No I am not, quite the opposite.

The self advertising of many of the posters on this thread would imply to me that they are unemployable.

Well, if I was the one making the choice of employing them anyway.

By their own statements, they clearly would add no value to the relationship or the enterprise.

The thread constantly slams managers and HR but my point is that employees should look just a critically at "themselves".

Ahh right, so I'm unemployable because I'm getting a bit annoyed about never having any time in the evening or weekend, because I have to work because as each person resigns the workload goes up along with an increasing number of managers. I have no issue with adapting change. I 've been "restructured" an average of twice a year for 23 years, so I'm quite capable of planning my way through these things and making sure that I put myself in a position where I'm not a liability to myself or my employer.

It does get beyond the pale when you have 4 managers to answer to.

[Ixion]

Sounds like some people have really miserable jobs. I just joined in on a game of bruise soccer with our IT guys. I picked on a lil geeky fulla that just joined us and kicked a ball right in his face. An english git got me in the nuts. He's now on call this weekend. The lil fulla kicked like a girl but managed to crack a window. The team carried him to the roof and locked him outside in the rain.

Good team building stuff.

Does your building have lifts in it? Do you use them? Might be best not to in future, hm. Putting a geek on a roof is a bad idea generally.

[Lou Girardin]

I've met ONE solitary Real Estate agent who could do that, and we bought our house off him. The rest were incapable of listening, and actively discouraged us from negotiating with the vendor. They weren't selling houses, they were maximising their commission.

But, but, but, they're working for the vendor aren't they?
They should change their names to vendor.

But the funniest thing is how the agents (owners) got all the salespeople to "invest in their profile", meaning pay for fancy signs, extra adverts etc. While he cuts his costs right back.
The sharks bitten by a bigger shark.

[Ixion]

Last test I took reckoned I was seriously disturbed by recent trauma, borderline psychotic, unstable, manically egotistical, a likely preditor, potentially dangerous and apparently the office hampster and 3 goldfish were missing from reception and the receptionist had to undergo an exorcisim....

Christ was I surprised to be appopinted CEO....

Got you on one of your good days, eh? y'gotta do something about those delusions of grandeur though. I mean, thinking you're Rossi is fine, no different to half the folks here. But CEO's , you're in dangerous territory there, before you know it you could have Teresa Gatting trying to get into your pants!

[Finn]

Does your building have lifts in it? Do you use them? Might be best not to in future, hm. Putting a geek on a roof is a bad idea generally.

Shit he's still up there. Better tell the boys to get him down. Thanks for the reminder.

[Paul in NZ]

Got you on one of your good days, eh? y'gotta do something about those delusions of grandeur though. I mean, thinking you're Rossi is fine, no different to half the folks here. But CEO's , you're in dangerous territory there, before you know it you could have Teresa Gatting trying to get into your pants!

shudder.....

[Lou Girardin]

Managers are subject to karma though.
Enron's Kenneth Lay and Jeff Skilling have just been convicted on various fraud, insider trading charges.
Lay faces up to 45 years jail, Skilling 145 years.
One day you're cock of the walk, the next you're a feather duster. (Tina Turner - Mad Max)

[oldrider]

Ahh right, so I'm unemployable because I'm getting a bit annoyed about never having any time in the evening or weekend, because I have to work because as each person resigns the workload goes up along with an increasing number of managers. I have no issue with adapting change. I 've been "restructured" an average of twice a year for 23 years, so I'm quite capable of planning my way through these things and making sure that I put myself in a position where I'm not a liability to myself or my employer.

It does get beyond the pale when you have 4 managers to answer to.

I did not refer to you personally and I am tempted to say "if the cap fits wear it" but I don't think that would be appropriate.
Restructuring can be a very disruptive and painful experience and is generally only so because of the bad management practices employed previously by the company facing the restructuring.
Knowledge is power and some managers pretend to have "knowledge" in order that they can continue to pretend to have "power" they are generally what the restructuring is all about.
The last part of your quote above spells out quite clearly what you believe your personal position is.
You are confident in the value of the service that you provide to the company, so why would you think I was referring to you?
Reporting to 4 managers tells me that the restructuring is valid!
Human Resource should not be Managing the restructuring, they simply should provide a supporting role to the managers carrying out the restructuring exercises themselves and those line managers should be working it out "with" their direct reports, they are the ones who know the business best.
The line managers should share the "knowledge" about the restructuring with their direct reports so that everyone can be involved in making "informed" decisions, both personal and business related.
The only thing to fear is fear it's self, uninformed workers react to the fear and the whole exercise becomes a chaotic shambles.
Confident, high performing managers know how to handle these situations and are not afraid of knowledgeable, intelligent staff, they treasure them.
Getting a bit rambley here but restructuring is something that I too am familiar with both making it happen and having it happen to me. John.

[kickingzebra]

I wonder how many people went Hoorah when Finn got nutkicked?

Why ya limping???

Tell people it was a highchair gone wrong.
On the brutale, they'd never bellieve it if you said on the Honda...

[geoffm]

Right up there with "of course we will still love you in the morning - and here is a pink slip" is "promotion from within".
My current job pushed that line - now pretty flat structure makes promotion difficult, but not impossible. Office boss kinda retiring, Senior guy lined up to take over - knows how the plance works, popular, customer foccussed, techie, etc. The NZ management was overruled and the Ozzie bosses say "no - we will look for someone from outside."
Net result, in 1 single decision
- guy is going, so we are now even shorter staffed - we were down 1 before anyway and unable to find a replacement, - message to everyone is "don't bother, we will screw you anyway". Now have no senior group leader and nothing coming.
- Even better, he is starting in competition, and having dealt with our key customers for years and brought a lot of them to our company, is now in opposition, and his first move will be to poach our clients, and this is made easier by not having anyone to replace him.

Good one guys. You couldn't have handled it worse if you tried.
The general opinion is the Ozzie connection could disappear and the NZ office would be no worse off - probalby better as all they do is add dead weight. They run NZ as a branch office of Australia, except I think the Ozzies have more leeway. We can't even change the official templates to take out references to ozzie regulations, ABN numbers, ozzie company names, etc. All that happens is people work around the system - so much for consistancy and quality...
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[scumdog]

- guy is going, so we are now even shorter staffed - we were down 1 before anyway and unable to find a replacement, - message to everyone is "don't bother, we will screw you anyway". Now have no senior group leader and nothing coming.

You don't work for NZPolice do you??

[WINJA]

No I am not, quite the opposite.

The self advertising of many of the posters on this thread would imply to me that they are unemployable.

Well, if I was the one making the choice of employing them anyway.

By their own statements, they clearly would add no value to the relationship or the enterprise.

The thread constantly slams managers and HR but my point is that employees should look just a critically at "themselves".

YEAH IM UNEMPLOYABLE TO A LOT OF EMPLOYERS , IVE READ SOME CONTRACTS AND THERE SHOCKING AND IVE TOLD THEM TO GET FUCKED , IN ONE CONTRACT I READ IT SAID THE COMPANY HAS THE RIGHT WITH NO NOTICE TO SEND YOU HOME WITHOUT PAY FOR UP TO 2 WEEKS AT A TIME , THATS OUTRAGEOUS FOR A PERSON ON WAGES WHAT DO YOU TELL YOUR BANK MANAGER WHEN YOUR SHORT FOR THE WEEK HOW DO YOU FEED THE FAMILY AND IT WAS LUCKY I FOUND IT CAUSE IT WAS TUCKED AWAY SOMEWHERE IN THE MIDDLE OF THE 45 PAGE CONTRACT , AND IN ANOTHER CONTRACT IT SAID EVEN THO THE COMPANY VEHICLES ARE INSURED IF YOU HIT A STATIONARY OBJECT IT COMES OUT OF YOUR OWN POCKET WHEN YOU WORK IN CONSTRUCTION THERES ALWAYS MISHAPS LIKE THAT .
THERES FAR MORE ROTTEN EMPLOYERS OUT THERE THAN EMPLOYEES , TO EMPLOYERS WE ARE JUST CATTLE USUALLY, I HATE THE WORDS LABOUR UNIT OR EMPLOYEE NUMBER BUT THESE ARE WORDS WE SEE MORE OFTEN .

BUT AS FOR UNEMPLOYABILITY JOHN IVE BEEN OFFERED $4000, A $45,000 CAR OF MY CHOICE , A LAPTOP AND ANY PHONE I WANT TO PUT MY NAME ON THE DOTTED LINE SO EVEN WITH MY CRAP ATTITUDE I STILL GET OFFERS AND THAT WAS FROM A GUY WHO I WORKED FOR IN THE PAST AND ARGUED WITH LOTS

[KATWYN]

THERES FAR MORE ROTTEN EMPLOYERS OUT THERE THAN EMPLOYEES

IVE BEEN OFFERED $4000, A $45,000 CAR OF MY CHOICE , A LAPTOP AND ANY PHONE I WANT TO PUT MY NAME ON THE DOTTED LINE SO EVEN WITH MY CRAP ATTITUDE I STILL GET OFFERS AND THAT WAS FROM A GUY WHO I WORKED FOR IN THE PAST AND ARGUED WITH LOTS

Really think about what you just said in the above quote Winja

You fell into that one

[smokeyging]

I think this problem goes higher than management, and probably government, and possibly the round table. The working class here are classed as some of the world’s best and are sort-after throughout the world. Why would it be in the fifties when we had 2 million people, there were schools, hospitals, and homes everywhere, now, with 4 million, we can’t even get good health care? I smell a rat….or, am I just a dumb cunt.

[WINJA]

Really think about what you just said in the above quote Winja

You fell into that one

HES AN EXAMPLE OF A GOOD EMPLOYER , DESPITE OUR DIFFERENCES WE HAVE RESPECT FOR EACHOTHER, JUST CAUSE WE DONT GET ON ALL THE TIME DONT MEAN WE CANT HAVE A SENSE OF FAIRNESS AND AN IDEA OF ONES VALUE , THINK ABOUT THAT