Fucking Managers!

[ajturbo]

welcome to the real world

[madboy]

3.4 workers per non-worker? That's efficient. My boss has 13 direct reports. Could be why he's on holiday this week. Maybe he's applying for a job at your place?

Can't say I've ever been through a restructure where my job is on the line. But one thing is for sure - don't ever expect management to act in the interests of anyone but themselves. I'm interested in providing for me and my family first, and doing a good job for the company second. Many people rank the company a lot lower than that, but their own personal interests still sit at the top. So if a short-term business decision puts them in a better personal position, many will. How many of these people will be around when the long-term consequences bite? And if they are, will they necessarily be affected by it anyway?

I feel for your position Lias. But once the anger has subsided you'll appreciate the naivity in thinking that management care about you or the company's long term good.

[Lias]

So what they do is come up with an initial proposal that they know won't fly, just so that the real plan doesn't have to go through the feedback part.

This IS the revised plan :-)

On the upside I just got a "your position has been confirmed" letter so I'm feeling pretty relieved.. I still think the level of management is complete bollocks thou.

[T.W.R]

Had to leave my job due to policy changes and read in the ER Act that the Employment Relations Authority cannot make a determination in relation to a Personal Grievance arising from new conditions of employment so what weight does the Employment Relations Act have in controlling behaviour by employers bringing in policy in such a way that violates the Act?

Dependant on whether its a collective agreement or individual agreement and for clarification refer to case law & has to be assessed either in the Employment Relations Authority or further in the Court of Appeal. Case law judgements can be best accessed through Brookers.

Any existing employment agreement is held as statute for 12mths if a new agreement is put forward & not agreed to, under bargaining law E R Act parts 5 - 6 sections 31 - 69.
as for personal grievance, it has to be succinct & specific and correspond with E R Act sections 104/110/111 and then use sections 112-114

[GR81]

leaked documents + stupid management = you must work for the NZ government?

haha!

[James Deuce]

Aren't you IT chappies and chappesses, (!sp), in rather hot demand at the mo? I reckon you've got some bargaining power on your side, haven't you?

Nope, pay/skill relativity with the rest of the skilled job market is the worst it has ever been for IT. The sad fact is that no one values IT because it doesn't generate direct income for anyone except IT companies. The IT companies then use that as a basis for "market rates" when negotiating contracts. I just got my first pay rise in 7 years. Looking at the job market, I'd have to take on a lot more responsibility to move on or even stay the same.

Thankfully "Working for Families" just cam to the rescue.

On another note, I've stayed here because the people I work with (not, not for, lol) are really bloody good to work with. We get lots done and we have fun, and people support each other when we need it. The conditions and pay are secondary to the environment for me.

[Maha]

Lias, put ya hand up for a management roll, too many chiefs and not enough indians senario......one more aint gonna hurt, well maybe the other workers but you wont be one of them.. problem solved. I love it when a plan comes together......

[James Deuce]

There's some management here I'd like to roll.

[Bloody Mad Woman (BMW)]

It's all about number crunching, and f' all about the human factor. One door closes - another opens - something happening like that can be a damned good incentive to find a better job!!

[froggyfrenchman]

I can sympathise...

In our work at the moment, the company wants to put us on a compolsary 50hr week, hours at their discresion (and were open 24hrs) On a flat rate. With no pay increcse.

On top of that, it was leaked to us this morning, that 8 people on the floor are getting the chop. So far they have only named 5 of them.

All a load of bull considering we have a 1/4 ratio of managment to workers.

Gonna be a sleepless night i guess

[KATWYN]

Blame the government and the constant financial pressure it puts on the company owners. Those decisions are forced because companies have no choice.

The increase in minimum wage
The new holiday act
The sick day act
Holiday pay going from 6 - 8% of annual gross earnings

At the same time increased costs to the company.
Freight
Supplies
Packaging
Services

It just goes on and on

And people question restructuring and how much it puts them out ? - talk to
Helen.

Katie
p.s An increase in management may have been made to increase productivity

[Swoop]

What a fabulous opportunity!!!

Renegotiation of contract. Due to the increase in inflation, interest rates and the price of petrol, it is time for a MASSIVE increase in wages!
The gubbinment has led by example on this one!!!!!!!!!

[Lou Girardin]

Blame the government and the constant financial pressure it puts on the company owners. Those decisions are forced because companies have no choice.

Yeah it's truly terrible when they can't maintain productivity by paying 3rd world wages.
How appalling that workers want a living wage.
Perhaps our hard done by employers would prefer the Aust experience, payroll taxes, medicare etc, etc.

[KATWYN]

What a fabulous opportunity!!!

Renegotiation of contract. Due to the increase in inflation, interest rates and the price of petrol, it is time for a MASSIVE increase in wages!
The gubbinment has led by example on this one!!!!!!!!!

Not a bad idea - then there will be no SME's (they all go under) so in
turn theres huge unemployment....and the government can then give everyone their wages for the week - and own every decision you make
from now on - from food, entertainment, travel to kids....

Sounds like a potential dictatorship in the making - if we all allow it

[KATWYN]

Yeah it's truly terrible when they can't maintain productivity by paying 3rd world wages.
How appalling that workers want a living wage.
.

How appalling that employers can't F***** GIVE a pay rise to employees
when employers WANT TO pay them what they are worth either