That would have done it you know.Originally Posted by Ixion
I always end up as an Art Designer or Flower Arranger.
Thing is, the older I get, the more attractive those options look. They're the sort of careers that tolerate weirdos.
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That would have done it you know.
I always end up as an Art Designer or Flower Arranger.
Thing is, the older I get, the more attractive those options look. They're the sort of careers that tolerate weirdos.
If a man is alone in the woods and there isn't a woke Hollywood around to call him racist, is he still white?
One hell of a ride.
That would have done it you know.
I always end up as an Art Designer or Flower Arranger.
Thing is, the older I get, the more attractive those options look. They're the sort of careers that tolerate weirdos.
Watch it.
And it's Art Director.
One hell of a ride.
Firstly you are operating under a complete misconception if you think a good salesman is ANYTHING but honest.
This is 2006 and there is consumer recourse for starters.
If you are not up front selling anything - you won't be successful.
Successful sales people actually like providing a service, believe in their product as a solution to their customers needs and are actually helping them. We don't need ANY bullshit if doing the job right.
It's about persistence, personality, training, product knowledge and the numbers game.
Secondly - we are ALL salesmen. Just a question of degrees.
Immature and proud of it.
You've read it wrong, I don't get that much. That's what I think I'm worth - don't you?
BTW he has access to this site.
Speed doesn't kill people.
Stupidity kills people.
Immature and proud of it.
More likely, he has the odd bash on his toy so as to get the tax write off.
Speed doesn't kill people.
Stupidity kills people.
Immature and proud of it.
Having been involved in one of the worst of the sales professions - real estate, I know this couldn't be farther from the truth.
Outright lying may not be common, but omission is alive and well.
Speed doesn't kill people.
Stupidity kills people.
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Oh yeh.. love those things...
I seem to get different results every time... doesn't help that I just randomly mark the boxes... I think one time I got classed as a suicidal maniac, which is as close to the truth as they've ever got.
Just faidin away!
New Zealand is supposedly renown internationally for it's lack of credible industrial/commercial managers.
Having read this thread from end to end it appears that the availability of "suitable applicants from the field" is probably a contributing factor.
Having read this thread ask yourself this question.
Knowing all that you now know about the applicant, (select any poster) would you still employ them?
Then make up your mind whether they would add value to your enterprise.
Remember you can't just simply get rid of them if they disappoint you.
You have probably mortgaged your "whole life" to get this business off the ground and running.
They have as yet contributed "nothing" and if you keep them that's what you will end up with too.
Wake up people some of you make yourselves sound like proper Pratt's!John.
One hell of a ride.
I said 'doing the job properly'.
And that means doing it for a long time too.
Blatant non-disclosure is a formula for failure in the medium term and that's partly why so many of them go bust.
The ethics of retail stock control and shifting inventory I can justify too.
But that's $115 per hour and part of the qualifying the customer training - available on site.
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Errrr, not following you Oldrider.
The thread is about Corporate entities reversing the ratio of Chiefs to Indians, in favour of the Chiefs, while fewer workers still have the same amount of work to do, usually in the face of diminishing returns, both economically and in respect to "intangible" benefits in the work environment.
I agree that our management appears to lack the skills or integrity to manage well, but don't understand your point at all. Are you implying that we should just shut up and do as we are told be people who have no idea how to take no for an answer?
If a man is alone in the woods and there isn't a woke Hollywood around to call him racist, is he still white?
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I've met ONE solitary Real Estate agent who could do that, and we bought our house off him. The rest were incapable of listening, and actively discouraged us from negotiating with the vendor. They weren't selling houses, they were maximising their commission.
If a man is alone in the woods and there isn't a woke Hollywood around to call him racist, is he still white?
Forum whore
Last test I took reckoned I was seriously disturbed by recent trauma, borderline psychotic, unstable, manically egotistical, a likely preditor, potentially dangerous and apparently the office hampster and 3 goldfish were missing from reception and the receptionist had to undergo an exorcisim....
Christ was I surprised to be appopinted CEO....
Just faidin away!
No I am not, quite the opposite.
The self advertising of many of the posters on this thread would imply to me that they are unemployable.
Well, if I was the one making the choice of employing them anyway.
By their own statements, they clearly would add no value to the relationship or the enterprise.
The thread constantly slams managers and HR but my point is that employees should look just a critically at "themselves".
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Sounds like some people have really miserable jobs. I just joined in on a game of bruise soccer with our IT guys. I picked on a lil geeky fulla that just joined us and kicked a ball right in his face. An english git got me in the nuts. He's now on call this weekend. The lil fulla kicked like a girl but managed to crack a window. The team carried him to the roof and locked him outside in the rain.
Good team building stuff.
Night rider
John, You and I have both been through a number of re-structuring type phases, including the massive one of Public Service to SOE, and even (in my case) to Publicly listed company. We have learnt how to look ahead and envisage where the company is heading and so adapt our own thinking to add value to the company's future. In effect we have stepped around HR as far as job security is concerned.
For many of the younger ones facing their first re-structure this is a daunting prospect, and their prime concern is "will I still have a job next week?". HR do not do themselves any favours in these circumstances as they are seen to be be the bad guys. Unfortunately, as you are already aware, very few HR managers have any technical knowledge, and simply look at employees as a resource which can be hired or adapted as the need arises. Some HR managers see their employees as an investment, and these ones are usually respected by employees in return.
Yes, employees should always look critically at themselves and assess their own performance in respect of how much value they are providing. At the same time HR should be open and honest, and let employees know what is expected now, and in the future. It is when future developements are kept too secret that employees feel that they are being treated like mushrooms (ie kept in the dark and fed on BS).
Time to ride
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