Waikato River - Now Privatised

**Dafe** · 22nd May 2006, 07:44

After secret negotitaions over the weekend between the Government and the Tainui tribe, led by Tainui's Chief Negotiator Tuku Morgan, Helen Clark is expected to announce that the Waikato River will no longer belong to the people of New Zealand, but instead - The Tainui Maori.

With the privatisation of the Waikato river, and the Maoris owning it and the water in it. Tuku Morgan will now look to sting the country for the cost of the water, after all, why wouldn't he. He was attacked and vilified personally by Helen Clark when he was in Parliament as a member of the NZ First party.
Some of you may recall him - strutting around Parliament in his earlier days, sporting his Dirty Dogs shades. But one thing about Tuku Morgan, He is cunning and manipulative and very educated. He has caused this government to fold to his demands.

But why in secrecy, Why the conspiracy?
Why is National so quiet on this issue, what is Nationals involvement???
Why is the public of NZ excluded from all knowledge?
This government has some rediculously serious issues.
This is the opening door to the waters of NZ becoming fully privatised.

This issue was never raised when Winston Peters held the Tauranga seat. It was Winston who primarily prevented the river privatisation from occuring, However with the loss of Winstons seat to nationals Bob Clarkson, nobody has addressed this issue and it had been neglected and written off. And hence, now turned over to the Maoris.
Believe it or not, Winston did alot of goodness for this country but people could not see it.

The funniest thing is, Had National left the Tauranga seat alone and not targeted it so heavily, It would have been a National led Government with a Maori party alliance governing today. But yes, National shot themselves in the foot! Doh! and of course, we would have had a Waikato river owned entirely by the people of New Zealand.

**marty** · 22nd May 2006, 07:56

i am very concerned that this will result in costs being imposed onto those of us who use the river regularly fo recreation, however I am sure that because i have 1/16th tainui in me i won't have to pay.

how will the river police know i haven't?

**Motu** · 22nd May 2006, 08:10

Make up your mind! You complain about the controlling government - and when they relinquish controll of something you still have a problem?

**marty** · 22nd May 2006, 08:13

will the river become like mt tarawera? tried walking up there lately? landing a plane on the strip at the top? driving your 4wd up there?

this will test the true mettle of tainui - are they for the good of the people, or just greedy?

**Dafe** · 22nd May 2006, 08:17

Originally Posted by Motu

Make up your mind! You complain about the controlling government - and when they relinquish controll of something you still have a problem?

If one thing is poorly managed, giving away another thing which is a major countries asset is not the answer Motu.........

What a rediculous comment Motu! Smarten up.

**Quasievil** · 22nd May 2006, 08:37

WTF, Tainui are people of New Zealand, if there was any party in NZ likely to impose usage charges it would be the dickhead government you elected.

Through the last 100 or so years the biggest achievement the "whites" have done is turn it in to a septic sewer drain, its all cleaned up now, but I guarnatee that if Tainui had control of the river through the last 50 odd years there would be no way that the Dairy companies would have been allowed to dump their sludge into it, not to mention the meat works or the hundreds of farmers dumping their chemical toxins and fertiliser run offs into the river.

Im from the Waikato and I use the river regulary and in summer even 4-5 times a week so Im passionate about this issue.

I would rather the Maori had control of the river than the freckin government anyday, there is no way its usage will be restricted in relation to recreational activities, only the government would do that.

Why do so many NZrs hear the word Maori and get all fucken anti? Im in now way a pro Maori or pro White extremist (though my grandad did sign the treaty as chief of Ngati Apa) but I can think on the level about such issues.

At the end of the day dont panic, the Panic in New Zealands History occured when the Maori were ripped off by the dodgy white supremists in the 1800's

Anyway there is NO AGREEMENT, it has not been handed back to Tainui, its being negotiated, there will be extensive allowances for the public involving river usage. So Chill out about it, if it ends up that there are factual based concerns that you have, then protest, its your right.

**Quasievil** · 22nd May 2006, 08:42

Oh, and to bring some balance to that, Tainui have in the recent past done some seriously dum shite, for example, the warriors investment. Oh and Marty (in relation to your 1/16 and tainui not charging you) when the government handed back state housing to Tainui as part of settlements you know what they did to the tennants??? they raised the rents up significantly to market rates, this was done immediately, so if there was going to be a charge, no point relying on your heritage.

Marty tell me about Mt Tawarea ?? was the deal with that?

I do have faith that whatever Docs are signed we as the public will be suitably protected for usage

**Hitcher** · 22nd May 2006, 08:52

The Waikato River was always on the table but not included in the earlier settlement with Tainui. Same deal for coastline.

**Devil** · 22nd May 2006, 09:10

Tarawera, ah yes. Great views, nice little 4wd track, nice walk around the crater...pity its become unaffordable except to the tourists willing to spend the money.

Basically, the costs to go up Tarawera used to be:
Walk: ~$2
4wd: ~$30 for the vehicle, I think there was a passenger charge? ~$5pp?

Then they got full control
Walk: ~$35??
4wd: ~$100 and something plus passenger costs.

All this to drive up an unmaintained road to see the view from the top.

I'm glad I got to go up before hand and checkout the awesome view. Fucked if i'm paying that to go up again.
(Memory of the prices is very vague, so correct me if i'm wrong)

**Biohazard** · 22nd May 2006, 09:22

Originally Posted by Quasievil

if there was any party in NZ likely to impose usage charges it would be the dickhead government you elected.

ROFLMAO - I havent laughed so much in ages, what can I say "WELL PUT", Labour is designed to screw up our future...

**Smorg** · 22nd May 2006, 09:35

Originally Posted by Biohazard

ROFLMAO - I havent laughed so much in ages, what can I say "WELL PUT", Labour is designed to screw up our future...

it wasnt that funny

**ZeroIndex** · 22nd May 2006, 09:44

that is bullshit.. they're gonna hide under the bridges, and as soon as you try to cross them, they're gonna jump out and say they want money or something.. wait.. that was a childrens story about a troll

PT

**Quasievil** · 22nd May 2006, 09:46

Originally Posted by ZeroIndex

that is bullshit.. they're gonna hide under the bridges, and as soon as you try to cross them, they're gonna jump out and say they want money or something.. wait.. that was a childrens story about a troll

PT

Fuck up and come and buy my cordura gear, fucken lifestyle web page poster, I was going to give you a ride on the 999 to