Vultures! F#%KING Vultures!

[inlinefour]

Anyone want to do some research as to why the country is in the state that it is? Once the Govt sorts its shit out and the warring ends, then will the country improve. Also the locals know that their kids are very likely to die, so they have more to ensure that some live. Yea its sad that this is happening, but its been happening since Adam was a cowboy. Also, I'd never join the sponser a kid thing as the majority of the money goes to the Govt and now we hear how the people running the programs are abusing kids for food. I'm also a strng believer that charity starts at home, so any money I dish out stays in NZ. I looked at that picture and all I saw was the balance of nature, brought about by humans.

I also think its too easy to have an opinion when reading the crapolia that the media hands out. If peope actually went over to these countries, looked at the problem and the causes, then attitudes might change...

[Paul in NZ]

Like a lot of people..... I had a favourite, mad spinster aunt... Straight out of an Agatha Christie novel, complete with a murky past, 5 too many cats and an unhealthy knowledge of crystals, distilled drinks and quite possibly the wisest, most 'human' person I ever met.

She was a nurse, and a darn good one too. She was matron of Oxford Hospital (when they still had one) and my younger bro and i used to go for long visits where we were put up in the ward and looked after by all the nurses and the patients... hmmm might explain a few things... no but the point was, she didn't see a problem, we used to have a high old time of it..

Anyway, when she was young she was a Save the Children Fund nurse in Korea during the war there (sorry - police action) and one day she found a wee guy in the gutter - litterally a baby... She picked him up and despite all objections (single woman etc) adopted him and gave him a life... Bloody amazin!

Yet even she would admit, it was a drop in the bucket....

Now - whats the point of this and my post....

You see here what happens when civilization breaks down. The demons that lay inside all of us await a trigger (like a pitbull) and don't think this shit just happens in Africa. I read a horrific story the other day about a young abo girl that was tied to a post outside and sodomised for 2 weeks until the SOB got sick of it and drowned her... HOW can this happen in a 'civilised' country?

It happens, not because good people walk past but because we stop caring, we stop caring about the little things. The wealthy and powerful stop caring and reward selfish behaviour and make sure that the poor and stupid don't have choices except to make the rich richer (hey, they can afford fences and security)

It happens, because we all stop being NICE to each other. Manners and civilisation go hand in hand along with self sacrifice and a greater good.. Concepts that have disapeared from the world but it's what made the english great. It even comes to the internet... telling people to get fucked... it means nothing but a million get fuckeds MAKE a difference and eventually, a child in africa dies...

Just my opinon of course.....

[sunhuntin]

Whilst not necessarily corrupt, there are some eye openers at home too.

The clothing collection bins are an example. People think that they are donating there old clothes to some needy charity. No. They are going to rag traders and a ver small amount of cash is going to the charity for being the use of their name.
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yep....those clothing bins for the most part supply stock for the savemart chain. we threw a whole pile of stuff in those when we moved...only to find it our local savemart. i shop at savemart, buy most of my clothes there, but dont agree with how they generate their wares to sell.

honestly....i could not have left that child there. and if i could....the guilt would likely see me going the same way the photographer did.

[terbang]

This is certainly an emotive thread and Ive been thinking.
One of the fortunes of my life has been my ability to take employment in many parts of the world. Aviation has allowed me to look into many lives and situations and I guess I can liken it being like a fly on the wall. However it has filled my head with weird shit..here is why.
I flew Maritime patrol aircraft for Aussie customs and was involved with the battle against people smuggling and drugs. On a lot of the cases I followed through on there were just so many tragic cases of hardship (even mass murder) caused by those that had so much on those that had so little and were just hanging on in desperation for a better life (any sort). I flew in India and Indonesia and witnessed very much the same thing, a lot of people who struggled their whole (some short) lives and then just died obscure and unoticed deaths and those that put them there didn't even know let alone care.. Saw enough desperate sickening sights for my life time. Flew for an airline that was one of the first to start operating into Sarajevo after the war there and saw the aftermath of pointless destruction for what..? Flew a private jet for a prominant NZer (made a trilogy) for 2 years mainly hauling up to Europe from NZ and whilst I warmed to my employer I could not help but notice the contrast of a gold bede on a gulfsream aircraft to some of the more derperate scenes in Aceh or India or on refugee boats in the Timor sea.
So what am I trying to say..? I just feel that us here in NZ have it bloody good (even the poor ones) and that we should allways live with compassion in our hearts for those that are on the bottom of the pile and it doesn't take a lot, even understanding that burying our heads in the sand will not solve it is a good start. Its our Family, community, county, country, hemisphere, world that we are all inheritors of and we should take notice and look closely at the direction that the planets wealth is heading.

[oldrider]

That he left the child there and did nothing has not been said, only suggested.
To say that he saved the child would be to disempower the picture.
To disempower the picture would be to dilute the effect and that would have disempowered this thread.
Is our individual guilt and emotional frailty being milked for all it is worth!
There are some very clever operators out there, do you see through every magicians trick or are you sometimes susceptible to their deception? Hhmmmm. :spudwhat:

[miSTa]

What a strange old world we live in - half the planet heading towards and dying from obesity, while the other half are heading towards and dying from starvation.

Food for thought (no pun intended).

[Sniper]

What a strange old world we live in - half the planet heading towards and dying from obesity, while the other half are heading towards and dying from starvation.

Food for thought (no pun intended).

I still stand by my plan of getting the hungry to eat the homeless.

[WINJA]

its hard for me to give a fuck about pics like that , so he picks the kid up takes him to get food he struggles he survives and then he has kids of his own that will be crawling to get free food , these countries are a lost cause i dont give a fuck the people have themselves to blame those 3rd world shitholes have had their begging bowls out for as long as i can remember and they will have the begging bowls out as long as people keep filling those begging bowls , i believe nz still has people who need our help if you wanna do something positive do it in nz

[oldrider]

Hey Sniper, Mrs O/r read your signature lol and clicked your "Do not click" and didn't know how to stop it.
She thought it might be an illustration of your signature. lol
I wondered what the noise was. "You are an idiot" over and over!!!

[Biff]

"The majority of the money doesn't go to those in need" - Several KBers have stated.

A gross generalisation.

1. 75% of my monthly donations I make goes to its intended cause. The rest is taken up by administrative costs. I've seen the audited accounts.
2. For the price of a sit down curry on a Sat night - one of my donations feeds and entire family for a week, and pays the school fees of two children.
3. The money I contribute goes directly to those in need, and is not funnelled through any government agency. It's all routed through NGOs. Again - proven by independently audited accounts and independently verified by the UNDP.

[Finn]

One thing I could never understand is that they say the country has so much debt. But look around, do you see any shops or people walking around with credit cards? I just don't get it.

He's my thoughts.

1. The food agencies and child sponsorship organisations are useless, just like the UN.
2. Couple the above with corruption and rebels and very little reaches the people.
3. Long term, they'd be better off with condoms than food. Their culture is all about breeding, some of them have 10 kids. Go figure.
4. All African nations are corrupt. What they need is reform. It will never happen.

Sure, get angry with this picture but there's some bad shit happening in our own country with kids but dare we say anything about it.

[Paul in NZ]

Sure, get angry with this picture but there's some bad shit happening in our own country with kids but dare we say anything about it.

Well you can't....

But if you are a Brown, lesbian reformed P addict thats just got out of jail for brain damaging 7 of your 14 kids (the other 7 were given away to family members to abuse) with facial tattoos, 3 teeth and a bad attitude we will not only sit up and listen but give you time on TV, $350,000 and name a govt dept after you...

But only after you cry publically and say, 'It's hard, I'm sorry or it's a fair cop - but society is to blame"....

[Finn]

Well you can't....

But if you are a Brown, lesbian reformed P addict thats just got out of jail for brain damaging 7 of your 14 kids (the other 7 were given away to family members to abuse) with facial tattoos, 3 teeth and a bad attitude we will not only sit up and listen but give you time on TV, $350,000 and name a govt dept after you...

But only after you cry publically and say, 'It's hard, I'm sorry or it's a fair cop - but society is to blame"....

That's the differance. In NZ, sponsoring the dead beats is compulsory. We should let nature take it's course with these people.

[Paul in NZ]

That's the differance. In NZ, sponsoring the dead beats is compulsory. We should let nature take it's course with these people.

No, I disagree... Natures course is often into violence and war.

Civilization is mans higher nature fighting against our baser instincts for the betterment of us as a species. I think that leading by example, consideration and equal opportunity for all are key factors. The media have a key role to play in this, ruthlessly destroying heroes they they built up in the first place has become a sport for them...

To me, the real heroes are the sad pricks that get up every day and go to a job they don't really like because they have a responsibility to provide for a family and they put their own needs second. I'd like to see a few more success stories like that...

Cheers

[Finn]

Civilization is mans higher nature fighting against our baser instincts for the betterment of us as a species. I think that leading by example, consideration and equal opportunity for all are key factors. The media have a key role to play in this, ruthlessly destroying heroes they they built up in the first place has become a sport for them...

That's the trouble with ideology is that it never works.