Semi-pro Web Dev questions thread

[cowpoos]

n0pe. will send you my bank account for payment

fuck your still alive!!

[Biff]

Dreamweaver MX - no planning, just run some ideas by the customer, and if they like them I try them out.

Not that I earn a decent living from web design mind you as it's an evening n weekend kinda thing for me.

[skelstar]

Not a huge fan of DW. I hand code everything (code completion is ok). It cracks me up when I have a look at the source for serious websites and find its full of tables with width='56' and width='3' f-ing EVERYWHERE. You can always tell if its a good coder/designer.

[skelstar]

btw - not meaning to offend. Im a html snob .

[Badcat]

I am not a professional web developer but do a fair bit (too much) in my spare time.

I spend an inexhorbanant amount of time planning my website at work. Most of it is spent on the layout of my pages which has a fair bit of data integrated into it.

Question: what do you real webdev guys use to plan the look of your sites? I suppose you could call it 'storyboarding'?

I use Excel. Its not too bad, but theres a lot of stuffing around with borders and limited colours available. Im tempted to download an HTML editor but I havent got a webserver installed on my PC (Windows 2000), nor do I want to install one as my IT dept would have kittens.

At home I use an Apple eMac (I know), with an awesome HTML/PHP editor called skedit. Totally awesome Mac-app.

i know this is gonna sound like a joke...
but i came from a web dev background.
(anyone remember webmedia in auckland?)
but MS visio is the best i've used for visualising and site mapping.
not availble for the mac -= i run it under virtual PC.

ken

[skelstar]

Was wondering if another drawing type package would be better. Have often heard of visio being used in web dev.

[Badcat]

Was wondering if another drawing type package would be better. Have often heard of visio being used in web dev.

Omnigraffle is the closest in mac apps to visio i hear:

http://the.taoofmac.com/space/Applications/OmniGraffle

Ken

[Badcat]

Was wondering if another drawing type package would be better. Have often heard of visio being used in web dev.

here's another - concept draw!

http://www.conceptdraw.com/en/produc..._visio_cd5.php

[Big Dave]

Not a huge fan of DW. I hand code everything (code completion is ok). It cracks me up when I have a look at the source for serious websites and find its full of tables with width='56' and width='3' f-ing EVERYWHERE. You can always tell if its a good coder/designer.

If it all works what difference does it make if the code is not neat?
It's invisible untidiness.
I used to write it all by hand - but gave up that fight 7 years ago. It's only web geeks who care.

[skelstar]

If you want the site to behave predictably on all platforms and browsers then I would imagine it would be better to have it done by a human (not always the best solution granted).

Besides I have a high PHP content on my pages. I dont think DW helps...nor does having ugly code - in my example anyway.

[Big Dave]

If you want the site to behave predictably on all platforms and browsers then I would imagine it would be better to have it done by a human (not always the best solution granted).

Besides I have a high PHP content on my pages. I dont think DW helps...nor does having ugly code - in my example anyway.

hmmm - I don't do any php so it's faster and easier to use a wsiwig app and then tidy it up 'by hand'.

i'm liking css more with every one I build too

[skelstar]

css is brilliant. I think I spend as much time tailoring my style-sheet as I do writing the html/php.

[TerminalAddict]

I've got a bunch of guys working for me that use DW exclusively.
They have it integrated with local php versions, and phpdbg

I just can't be arsed .. and don't run winblows.
So a local version of php, apache, mysql, postgres, and vim gets me by

Can do some magic stuff with css/css2

... I played with xslt for a while .. very cool for delivering the same content to different devices, but in the end, browser don't play nice, so I now I use a different style sheet for each media.
I'd love media="print" to be standard in every website ... that'd be cool