Could the lack of discipline be the problem?

[Motu]

I see low self esteme.If you were a fly on the wall in their homes you would see the kids constantly being put down,it's all negative,they never get praise.It's a cycle that need breaking not reinforcing.

[The_Dover]

I dunno Motu, I'm sure the parents often say

"that was a great new tv you thieved for us son"

"you done great selling all that P we cooked up at school today son"

"you're making really good money on Hunters Corner love, can I have some more to go to the casino tonight"

[James Deuce]

FFS. One minute everyone reckons everything is the parent's fault, then that Placidfemme chick claims that it is a society-wide issue.

Can you people make your minds up please?

[placidfemme]

You been that fly-on-the-wall at ours, PF?? The thing that really gets to me is that for every right there is a responsibility to balance it - but not taught, is it?

I don't really know what you mean by that (lol I'm one of those two bricks glued together)

I honestly think they should allow parents to smack kids in thier own home, if kids fear (not fear as in "oh my god dad is going to beat the shit out of me and I won't be able to go to school for 3 weeks), but if kids have respect and fear for thier parents they will worry about doing things wrong out of home, because chances are the parents will find out. Give parents the power back.

Then give schools the power to physically discipline kids, you do something wrong, you get caned. Hurts like hell (I was caned at school), but you don't do it again.

Introduce a decent school qualification into NZ schools. Something like "O Levels" is great, it's internationally recognised, it's challenging and offers a wide range of subjects.

Set more limits in the schools. Teach them to respect the school, the uniform and the staff.

And only then, will you see a change in NZ society. And a good change at that.

[Wolf]

Zimbabwe... or Rhodesia... depends on how old you are lol

In Ixions case: That section of Gondwanaland that was so much further inland until that bit over there broke off and moved away...

[placidfemme]

FFS. One minute everyone reckons everything is the parent's fault, then that Placidfemme chick claims that it is a society-wide issue.

Can you people make your minds up please?

If you re-read my first post I clearly stated, on its own seperate line:

I blame the parents, the schools and the government.

The parents can't change the legality of smacking kids at home, without the governments approval (stupid huh), and the schools can't change either without government approval... and the government won't change unless the parents stand up for what they believe in...

It's an endless circle, and the problem with society, is that eveyone can see the problems, and most people can see the solution, but everyone has the "well someone else will sort it out" attitude, and the reality is... no-one does anything

[SimJen]

FFS. One minute everyone reckons everything is the parent's fault, then that Placidfemme chick claims that it is a society-wide issue.

Can you people make your minds up please?

Its a consequence of society. Parenting has been getting steadily worse, not being helped by the way society (read government) is praising the dumb and giving them handouts to stay dumb.

[James Deuce]

If you re-read my first post I clearly stated, on its own seperate line:



The parents can't change the legality of smacking kids at home, without the governments approval (stupid huh), and the schools can't change either without government approval... and the government won't change unless the parents stand up for what they believe in...

It's an endless circle, and the problem with society, is that eveyone can see the problems, and most people can see the solution, but everyone has the "well someone else will sort it out" attitude, and the reality is... no-one does anything

Err, why are you arguing with your own premise?

For the record, until you're a parent you have no idea. None. Zip. Nada.

[placidfemme]

Err, why are you arguing with your own premise?

For the record, until you're a parent you have no idea. None. Zip. Nada.

I'm not arguing, thats the reality of it... unfortunatley

[James Deuce]

Its a consequence of society. Parenting has been getting steadily worse, not being helped by the way society (read government) is praising the dumb and giving them handouts to stay dumb.

Gah!! Are you people all American or something? The irony is just whizzing around on the upper edge of the Mesosphere, isn't it?

[chris]

I specifically work on the Top 45 Offenders in NZ you'd be amazed at how many under 21 year olds owe $65 000 plus

Are you saying that the worst offenders in the country are categorised as those that owe the most in fines etc? Is the kid who owes $65,000 in fines/reperation whatever, public enemy number one as opposed to the rapists/murderers etc that continue to allude our fine police force?

[Lou Girardin]

Despite all the fine talk, the bottom line is that NZ as a society doesn't value kids. And I don't mean all this self-esteem rubbish. all that's given us is self-confident criminals. Society has to value kids enough to not play with their futures.
And Finn is dead right, we are the worlds lab rats for every crackpot theory that comes along, whether it's monetary policy or how we test kids achievements at school..
I guess it all comes from being an isolated, inbred society until not very long ago.

[The_Dover]

I guess it all comes from being an isolated, inbred society until not very long ago.

Ehh? Did I miss something?

[carver]

hey guys, im a politician of sorts.
i hear what your saying, do you think giving people back personal responsibility would help, making them accountable? but giving them more freedom too?

[u4ea]

coud lack of parenting be probem........as a singe working parent of a now teenage boy,its not just black and white!!!!!!there are a lot of grey areas which cant be generalised.my son knows right from wrong alright but of course give m an inch.......in saying that he doesnt steal,lie,in my book they go hand in hand and he learnt through loss of toys early on what its like to have a loved possesion taken away and liying about it will only make it worse!!!!!!!he is very conciencious of anothers disability and will ,regardless of gender,be caring and respectful,he is a hard worker in that he will do chores and mow the lawns without being asked!!!!!!!i shit you not!!!!!!!but there is a nasty attitude what will raise its ugly head once in a while and thats when i fail him.i know basic physycology but it all goes out the window and i could bloody throttle him!!!!!but i live by the ol adage.......these hands were made for loving......thank god for a good merlot......i dont condem anyone else who raises a hand to their child,guess my point is that as a society there will always be influences to lead us astray and at he end of the day,there is free will.........................