Could the lack of discipline be the problem?

**chris** · 15th June 2006, 12:26

Originally Posted by Str8 Jacket

Sorry I meant fines defaulters... And I mean the Top 45 fines defaulters have a few people under 21 that can owe anywhere between $65 000 to $300 000. I cant read the first page of the thread after my post cause someone used naughty words and work have blocked it...

So why do the courts continue to fine them? Good grief, chop the little fuckers hands off.

**Str8 Jacket** · 15th June 2006, 12:47

Originally Posted by chris

So why do the courts continue to fine them? Good grief, chop the little fuckers hands off.

The courts dont "fine" anyone. The Police, council, MAF and other authorities do and when these people dont pay the fines they are sent to court. The courts (collections/fines wise) are basically like Baycorp. THe issuing authority gives out the fine and then when they are overdue with the issuing authority the fines/charges are sent to court. But when you are dealing with matters such as fraud and theft then the judge will decide the penalty. In alot of cases they award reparation to the victims (which can be companies as well) becuase if these people are just sent to jail then the companies can fold or the victims (people) may become bankrupt. Unfortunately alot people cant responsibility for their actions so they try and hide form the courts. My job is to Track and Trace these people through various resources and once we find them then we can "dish out" the punishment. Alot of the young people have no income or assets to seize so thats when Community Service or jail terms are imposed. Some people are alot more clever and they just leave the coutry and unless they come back into NZ we cannot enforce the law.....

**placidfemme** · 15th June 2006, 12:47

Originally Posted by Ixion

Proper name is Matabeleland. Don't hold with these newfangled changes to names. And Cecil Rhodes was a scoundrel.

Eh Matabeleland is the lower part of Zimbabwe where Bulawayo is... Was the first place discovered... often described as the best land in Zim... Mashonaland being further up north...

They still use the terms "Matabeleland, Mashonaland, Manikaland and so forth..." But now they are districts... like Northland, southland e.t.c... but obviously named after the tribes origionally found in those areas... (matabele and shona etc)

**The Pastor** · 15th June 2006, 12:48

Originally Posted by placidfemme

Zimbabwe... or Rhodesia... depends on how old you are lol

Wasnt rhodesia changed to zambia?

But back to your orig post. I have one thing to say about that.

HAHAHAHA TO ALL YOU LABOUR SUPPORTAS YOU MESSED UP OUR ISLAND!

Not saying this labour governtment has screwed it up, it was propper screwed well before they got into power, They have just gone a long way to screw it up more.

I think immidiate millitary action is in need. MP's and curfews, Shoot first ask... well never. Oh and kill the media. (or at least there ties to labour.) And ban cars.

**chris** · 15th June 2006, 12:49

Originally Posted by Str8 Jacket

The courts dont "fine" anyone. The Police, council, MAF and other authorities do and when these people dont pay the fines they are sent to court. The courts (collections/fines wise) are basically like Baycorp. THe issuing authority gives out the fine and then when they are overdue with the issuing authority the fines/charges are sent to court. But when you are dealing with matters such as fraud and theft then the judge will decide the penalty. In alot of cases they award reparation to the victims (which can be companies as well) becuase if these people are just sent to jail then the companies can fold or the victims (people) may become bankrupt. Unfortunately alot people cant responsibility for their actions so they try and hide form the courts. My job is to Track and Trace these people through various resources and once we find them then we can "dish out" the punishment. Alot of the young people have no income or assets to seize so thats when Community Service or jail terms are imposed. Some people are alot more clever and they just leave the coutry and unless they come back into NZ we cannot enforce the law.....

So if a judge issues a fine when a person is found guilty of an appropriate fine, he/she actually doesn't?

**Str8 Jacket** · 15th June 2006, 12:49

Originally Posted by chris

So if a judge issues a fine when a person is found guilty of an appropriate fine, he/she actually doesn't?

Doesn't what???...

**placidfemme** · 15th June 2006, 12:51

Originally Posted by renegade master

Wasnt rhodesia changed to zambia?

no... that was even before....

Went like this...

Africa... then... Southern Rhodesia & Northern Rhodesia. Northern Rhodesia became Zambia... Southern Rhodesia became Rhodesia and then (now) Zimbabwe

**chris** · 15th June 2006, 12:56

Originally Posted by Str8 Jacket

Doesn't what???...

issue a fine as punishment

**Wolf** · 15th June 2006, 12:57

Originally Posted by placidfemme

no... that was even before....

Went like this...

Africa... then... Southern Rhodesia & Northern Rhodesia. Northern Rhodesia became Zambia... Southern Rhodesia became Rhodesia and then (now) Zimbabwe

The things these fucking map publishers will do to ensure you have to keep buying their products!

It's almost as bad as the light bulb industry.

**Str8 Jacket** · 15th June 2006, 12:57

Originally Posted by chris

issue a fine as punishment

Umm sorry you have completely lost me. Bearing in mind that collections have nothing to do with "major" crimes like murders, rapes etc...

**Finn** · 15th June 2006, 12:59

Originally Posted by Str8 Jacket

Umm sorry you have completely lost me. Bearing in mind that collections have nothing to do with "major" crimes like murders, rapes etc...

Excellent! So there's no fine for murder? Cool.

**Wolf** · 15th June 2006, 13:00

Originally Posted by Ixion

Proper name is Matabeleland. Don't hold with these newfangled changes to names. And Cecil Rhodes was a scoundrel.

Why oh why am I not surprised you know that? Or that you should have had a personal run-in with Cecil Rhodes...

**Str8 Jacket** · 15th June 2006, 13:01

Originally Posted by Finn

Excellent! So there's no fine for murder? Cool.

No! Do not pass go, do not collect $200, go directly to jail!

Collections deal with fines that are imposed by another authority ie Police. Basically the types of offending we deal with are what you could call minor (obviously not to the victims). Say you de-fraud the coompany you work for and your caught out. The Police may lay charges but impose only a fine instead of a hearing that could land you in jail, then the fine is passed on to the courts so that they can moniter payments and say disperse payments to the victims. We dont deal with crimes as you would imagine. The type of offences we deal with are not usually know by the public, I guess you could call them "petty crimes"....