Could the lack of discipline be the problem?

[SARGE]

i think the whole problem started when the hippies said we couldnt administer a foot to the ass anymore

[Sniper]

i think the whole problem started when the hippies said we couldnt administer a foot to the ass anymore

Fucken hippies, need to get a good old hippy bashing going again

[slowpoke]

Err, why are you arguing with your own premise?

For the record, until you're a parent you have no idea. None. Zip. Nada.

Are you for real? Most of the premises espoused here seem to point the finger at parents in general and here you are saying this shite? Sounds like it should be the other way around....

[slowpoke]

You need a licence to drive a car, ride a motorbike or own a dog in Nz ie - you need to prove some sort of proficiency, suitability before you can do those things. However any two bit moron can breed kids, have them removed from their care because they are unfit to do the job, then, BUGGER ME, we will pay them to have more!! Go figure??
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Yup, when it comes to parenting just 'cos ya CAN have kids doesn't mean ya SHOULD...and just 'cos ya have doesn't mean you're any bloody good.

[chanceyy]

hmm very interesting .. some of my thoughts

how can kids be respectful to others when they do not respect themselves.?

how can they respect themselves when their role models do not respect themselves ?

Discipline regardless of your choice of smaking or not .. when your young kids can threaten the police if you touch them ... where is the healthy respect for consequences of actions

the society we are all taking a part in & creating, how we accept bad behaviour as normal today.

I look at the way both myself and my brother were raised, with both parents, mum working while we were at school, home before we got home, discipline, consequences of actions, boundarys and definate rules ... i now watch my brother interact with his 4 kids .. and can see the way we were raised though his kids .. they are respectful of themselves and their elders, loving, well adjusted kids ... they are the type of kids that would make anyone proud, but still kids

[scumdog]

hey guys, im a politician of sorts.
i hear what your saying, do you think giving people back personal responsibility would help, making them accountable? but giving them more freedom too?

MAKE them more accountable, discipline them more -LOTS more!
make them fear SOMETHING (fear of losing a cell-phone does NOT count!)

[terbang]

Zimbabwe... or Rhodesia... depends on how old you are lol

Yeah right as if your country is a model society at the moment..

[Str8 Jacket]

So as I thought, the courts and judges can impose fines. It's just that this "The courts dont "fine" anyone" confused me.

Judges dont fine people, they sentence them. I deal with fines (that are imposed by another authority not major crimes) thats why I was confused....

[paturoa]

Has anyone ever done a survey to find out how KBers voted in the last election? Interesting reading these posts cf the infamous Sarge thread of a couple of days ago.

[smokeyging]

Stopping compulsory military training years ago has not helped the country in my view. That taught us a lot about discipline etc. the government at the time might have felt that they were saving money, but like most things they have done, it’s just come back and bit them in the ass.

[MSTRS:Me]

Fucken hippies, need to get a good old hippy bashing going again

Could really set the world to rights and bring back queer bashing, jew baiting and get the nigras back in the fields where they belong....
.....oh, and bring back conscription, the stocks and public floggings/hanging

[scumdog]

Yeah right as if your country is a model society..

Now THERE'S a good Kiwi retort, adds a lot of value to the discussion.....sense and logic......

[Sniper]

snip.......nigras back in the fields where they belong....
.....

Dont get me started.........

[terbang]

Now THERE'S a good Kiwi retort, adds a lot of value to the discussion.....sense and logic......

Well for those with some lateral thought it certainly is. First, as a 5th generation NZer who has also lived in other countries I agree there has been a slip in NZ. I notice that this thread is started with the opening statement

I've only been in NZ for about 6 years now, and I've noticed a lot of things that happen here that never happened back home...

Yup there is and has been a lot of shit in Zimbabwe that I am very happy to have not happened in NZ.
This is by someone who has has left a country that is in the headlines all the time for human rights violations and is handing out advice to us Kiwis. Hang on this is NZ and not back home so I suspect it will be different. Like the whinging poms of the past we dont need it either from Zimbabwe or anywhere else. Fit in and contribute to our country as a New Zealander or(sex and travel) there is always the homeland that needs you back.

[hXc]

Too lazy to read the whole thread, but you're exactly right PF. There are a lot of South Africans and Zimbabweans in napier, and quite a few at school. They may not be the smartest in the class, but they always work hard and hardly ever cause trouble.

It's a shame to see society in NZ rapidly going down hill. Blame the government, the parents and of course...America. No offence to any Americans here but, you have to admit that New Zealand's kids are trying to be more and more like the Americans they see on TV each day. All I have to say to those type of people is, "Be yourself! Being a teenager is part of finding who you are and your place in life and the world. But, don't waste years and years following people because they are 'cool'."
There are people at my school -well 'preps' as they are called- who don't even like what they do, how they live etc. They only do it to be 'cool'. It's pathetic.

Manners and morals should be taught at a young age, before school starts. For myself, this was true, and I thank my parents for that. I may not be a perfect kid, and I may cause the odd bit of trouble, but it's never to hurt someone. I don't get involved in gangs etc because it's something that I think is absolutely pathetic.

Kids/teens these days can get anything they like whenever they like. Parents buy alcohol, drugs etc for them and drink/smoke them with them! I have had alcohol before, but have never ever done drugs! When I drink (very rarely) I don't get drunk. People think I'm weird or stupid 'cause I don't drink every weekend and I've never been drunk.

That's just my perception of a few key ideas that PF listed in her first post. Good on you for speaking out girl!

Minority - Greenday
I want to be the minority
I dont need your authority
Down with the moral majority
'Cause i want to be the minority