New Police Stats.

**Lou Girardin** · 24th May 2004, 06:59

Originally Posted by marty

i have never really had difficulty dealing with anyone lou, even narrow focussed, bitter, hang-em-out-to-dry ex cops-turned-lawyers/real estate agents/sales reps/investigators etc. it's amazing what a bit of humility, understanding and respect for their position can foster.

You have been doing your research, haven't you? Although I have never been a lawyer or investigator.
As for being bitter, as I've said before, I left the MOT freely (well before the merger), never joined the Police, I've had very few tickets, never been arrested. I have no ulterior motive for disliking current Police policies and practices other than, to quote Dr Alan Wilkinson, they are persecuting our fellow New Zealanders for no better reason than their fixation on incorrect research. Abetted by a Government greedily eyeing the millions in fine revenue.
It's also clear, that as time passes, more and more information comes out that shows the futility of those policies and practices. As it does so, public respect for the Police falls further.

**marty** · 24th May 2004, 08:41

Originally Posted by Lou Girardin

You have been doing your research, haven't you? .

no. some things just never change.

**Hoon** · 24th May 2004, 11:20

I'm all for Police revenue gathering - just as long as they aint revenue gathering off me!!!
We all know that the Police are under funded and need more money. I'd rather they take that money from those who lack restraint instead of the rest of the NZ law-abiding public.
I've been done for doing 60-65kph and sure it sucks but the question you have to ask yourself is "Who's fault is it really? Yours or the Police?". It might be the Polices fault you got caught but it is always your fault for breaking the law and people need to understand that if they break the speed limit then they have to be prepared to accept the consequences when they get caught instead of crying "ohhh nahhh you cops are trying too hard now to catch me breaking the law!!!".

In fact when I see these Police figures it makes me happier. It means my tax/petrol/rego increases are minimized while those with less self control "take one for the team"

**jrandom** · 24th May 2004, 11:47

Originally Posted by HO-Hoon

In fact when I see these Police figures it makes me happier. It means my tax/petrol/rego increases are minimized while those with less self control "take one for the team"

Good point, but one would expect to see a corresponding increase in 'real' policing funded by this stuff. Instead we just see an ever-growing focus on extracting more and more revenue by this method. What are they spending it on? Commissioners' salaries?

When are the Powers That Be going to start spending the cash on fighting crime? Real crime, not arbitrary rules that tax the less-than-prudent.

Also, what the F*CK is with endlessly quoting annual 'road toll' figures without relating them back to actual levels of road use? They're meaningless! Gaaaah. Yes, I know we've already done the 'statistics thread' thing. There are just too many stupid people in this world for me not to comment on it occasionally.

**scroter** · 24th May 2004, 13:23

Originally Posted by Zed

Lou, aside from your criticism of my faith- which is grossly incorrect, you do have a serious problem with authority...always bagging the powers that be like a real whiner!

Why don't the Police dept. make their employees sign some form of agreement that comes into effect if they decide to resign, so they can't make slanderous comments against the police and cause others to also rebel? I know the army does such when it comes to ex-officers discussing army business, etc, and writing books about their special assignments.

You're a dangerous man Lou...I've been following your police posts, thankfully I know better than to follow your one-sided opinions.

and all the other quotes by you. have you got anything better to do than get wound up by others. none of these are meabt as a personal attack on you. you just fuck everyone off with all your attitude why dont you just get lost and go hang out with someone who actually likes you. if there are any.

**FROSTY:Me** · 24th May 2004, 13:57

one question Do the fines actuyally go into police cofferS???

**pete376403** · 24th May 2004, 14:13

I think everything goes into the Consolidated fund - the government money bin.

**Hoon** · 24th May 2004, 14:43

Originally Posted by xjxjxj

one question Do the fines actuyally go into police cofferS???

Yeah not directly but the more money the police/govt make means less they have to find from other sources.

**marty** · 24th May 2004, 14:46

the police accounts are filled at the start of the year, from the consolidated fund, ltsa, acc, local bodies etc. no amount of ticket writing will fill them any more.

the reality is that ltsa/acc/tla's are more concerned about the delivery of hours into road safety, it is the police that are concerned about the number of tickets being written, as there is a correlation and statistical accountability attached to numbers. it is difficult to say - ' i delivered 100 hours of seatbelt enforcment to the waipa tla this week', if you have nothing to show for it. warnings are too easy to make up, so even a warning is recorded now (rego/time/place etc), and the gen is, if you have to record a warning, you might as well write a ticket....

**Zed** · 24th May 2004, 15:41

Originally Posted by scroter

and all the other quotes by you. have you got anything better to do than get wound up by others. none of these are meabt as a personal attack on you. you just fuck everyone off with all your attitude why dont you just get lost and go hang out with someone who actually likes you. if there are any.

Yeah this getting wound up by others is a real problem

So I take it you have nothing to add to the actual topic of this thread?

And watch your filthy mouth scoter!

**White trash** · 24th May 2004, 15:45

Originally Posted by scroter

..... why dont you just get lost and go hang out with someone who actually likes you. if there are any.

Met him in person, rode with him, talked to him. Thoroughly nice bloke all round.

I'll ride with you anytime, Zed.

But then that's not what this thread is about

**sAsLEX** · 24th May 2004, 17:17

Originally Posted by HO-Hoon

I'm all for Police revenue gathering - just as long as they aint revenue gathering off me!!!
We all know that the Police are under funded and need more money. I'd rather they take that money from those who lack restraint instead of the rest of the NZ law-abiding public.

if they are under funded why do they have fancy new s comodores, when some of the real police have absolute shit boxes! It where the money is being spent that I see as an issue. I have no issue with money putting police on the beat making a real go at making NZ the safe country it is/was!

An intersesting stat would to be if more right handed people crashed, then we could ticket those that drive right/left handed and the road toll would go down(LTSA logic used here)

**dangerous** · 24th May 2004, 18:29

Originally Posted by scroter

why dont you just get lost and go hang out with someone who actually likes you. if there are any.

SETTLE DOWN MATE....... the same could be said for you after a comment like that

You have 36 posts Zed has 702 if it went to the poll who do you think would be getting lost?

**marty** · 24th May 2004, 18:36

Originally Posted by sAsLEX

if they are under funded why do they have fancy new s comodores, when some of the real police have absolute shit boxes! It where the money is being spent that I see as an issue. I have no issue with money putting police on the beat making a real go at making NZ the safe country it is/was!

the difference between what an I car has to put up with and what a HP car does is huge. there are plenty of VY I cars, they just get shabbier and rougher much quicker, as they are 24 hour cars, with blood and vomit in the back seats, used as battering rams, kicked by drunks, keyed by dickheads. GDB cops generally don't like to have shiny new cars, as the scratches and dents stand out on them that much easier. have a look at the rear fenders and boot on a big city GDB patrol car - i just about guarantee it has dents from someone being arrested over the car.....

an HP car is an 8 hour limo, driven by only one person. the HP car is the HP cops office, the I car is one of the GDB cops tools.

**dangerous** · 24th May 2004, 18:39

Originally Posted by HO-Hoon

We all know that the Police are under funded and need more money

Oh yeh!!! I have a mate that started the beat in ChCh central he went 18 months with out a jacket and torn pants and this is through a cold wet winter like we have down here. Yet here we have HP coppers in brand new cars with leather jackets and all the trimmings...... go figger that one.

Today I was working in a building that looks down on the CBD cop shop and in one corner there was the HP verey shiny new cars and they were wasting time and money washing them when it was pissing down

And in the other corner was the 1990 VP comodores all looking rather second hand the markings all faded and ther was the odd early 2000 cars aswell also looking run down...... once again go figger

ps: just read Marty's last thread as he posted at the same time as me.... point noted