New Police Stats.

[Lou Girardin]

Fines do go into the consolidated fund, not to the Police. However, they do use projected income from fines in their argument for each years funding. If this income wasn't important to them then so much of Police funding wouldn't be focussed on traffic enforcement. An ascending spiral.
HO hoon, there is an awful lot of Kiwis who lack restraint apparently, nearly a million last year. A majority of the driving public.
How many people have to be persecuted before that it's conceded to be bad law. (or bad enforcement)?

[Indo]

Your full of hate toward the Police but you don't actually offer any solutions aside from a continual whine. Do you have a chip on your shoulder from the fact you couldn't become a real cop or something?

But what exactly do you want Lou?

No speed limit?
A speed limit thats not enforced?
A speed limit the applies to everyone but you?
A speed limit that relies solely upon the officers discretion?

Now given your contempt toward the Police i doubt you would trust the officer to be able to make such a judgement, plus it would end up in the law being applied unevenly which causes obvious problems. Is a cop instantly supposed to divine that your a safe driver in the 2 seconds or so he clocks your speed?

If we raised the driving age and made the test a hell of alot harder you could argue the speed limit be increased, but at the moment theres a large proportion of N.Z drivers who can't even drive safely at 100kmh let alone 110+.

Personally I prefer to have the police 'revenue gathering' or whatever you want to call it than some dickhead coming toward me around a blind corner on my side of the road as a result of driving at a speed he believes to be 'safe'.

Its a stupid tax more than anything.

[marty]

[Zed]

Met him in person, rode with him, talked to him. Thoroughly nice bloke all round.

I'll ride with you anytime, Zed.

But then that's not what this thread is about

You're too kind WT!

I think this scroter mis-spelled his nick?

[spudchucka]

If one of Pudpluckers mates had seen me lanesplit to lose him I probably would have got the ticket.

Hey Lou, if you are going to call me names at least think of something original or at least witty. I'm sure you can do better than "pudplucker", put some effort in. Next time I want to see a decent insult, not some lame arse effort like this. I know you can do better if you just try a little harder.

[spudchucka]

I would much prefer it if they "policed" the red light runners a bit more as i've almost dropped the bike through pulling out then slamming on the anchors as some dickhead goes through 5 secs after the red.
Surely this is a much bigger contributer (sp?) to accidets than 11k over the limit.

Yes it is a big contributor to accidents, but the funny thing is that when they get a ticket for running a red they always insist that it was in fact green and suggest that the cops would be better to concentrate on all those dangerous speeders out there. Funny how everyones perspective is so different isn't it?

[spudchucka]

As for Police and LTSA talking heads, they're the road safety equivalent of Zed. They have unshakeable, blind faith that theirs is the one, true way.

And you are offering so many reasonable and effective alternatives. What would you have them do to improve on the current position?

[spudchucka]

You're being overly sensitive Zed, since when is being described as having blind, unshakeable faith a criticism? As for losing your freedom of expression after leaving a public job, have you heard of the whistleblowers legislation? Would the Rotorua rape enquiry have happened if that were the case? Would any of the scandals involving public figures have happened?
Opinions are one-sided, that's why we hold them. You have yours, I have mine.
I thought your faith puts you beyond doubts, why am I dangerous to you?
Lou
PS.By the way Marty, when you and your friend formulate a rational argument I'll respond. All I've seen so far is mindless abuse. It's difficult to deal with those who don't agree with you, when you don't have fear on your side, isn't it.

The Rotorua rade enquiry came about because a woman came forward with allegations - no other reason. There have been heaps of rational arguements that you have avoided. If you don't like being labled as a ex traffic cop who has a chip on his shoulder then show some evidence to disprove it. All I've ever seen you post on this forum in relation to police suggests that you have a personal barrow to push because of something that happened to you while you were a MOT traffic cop. Prove me wrong!

[spudchucka]

I'm all for Police revenue gathering - just as long as they aint revenue gathering off me!!!
We all know that the Police are under funded and need more money. I'd rather they take that money from those who lack restraint instead of the rest of the NZ law-abiding public.

Just so you understand, the police don't receive any additional funding in relation to the revenue gathered via traffic fines. They are underfunded regardless of the revenue gathered on behalf of the Govt.

[spudchucka]

Your full of hate toward the Police but you don't actually offer any solutions aside from a continual whine. Do you have a chip on your shoulder from the fact you couldn't become a real cop or something?

But what exactly do you want Lou?

No speed limit?
A speed limit thats not enforced?
A speed limit the applies to everyone but you?
A speed limit that relies solely upon the officers discretion?

Now given your contempt toward the Police i doubt you would trust the officer to be able to make such a judgement, plus it would end up in the law being applied unevenly which causes obvious problems. Is a cop instantly supposed to divine that your a safe driver in the 2 seconds or so he clocks your speed?

If we raised the driving age and made the test a hell of alot harder you could argue the speed limit be increased, but at the moment theres a large proportion of N.Z drivers who can't even drive safely at 100kmh let alone 110+.

Personally I prefer to have the police 'revenue gathering' or whatever you want to call it than some dickhead coming toward me around a blind corner on my side of the road as a result of driving at a speed he believes to be 'safe'.

Its a stupid tax more than anything.

Good on ya mate!!

[k14]

I think some people are taking this the wrong way.

What I hate about the way in which speeding is policed is that it is said that by issuing speeding tickets this will directly decrease the road toll. But the fact that last year the amount of tickets increased by 70% or so and the road toll increased. So how is this increasing road safety. Yes, I agree that there needs to be a speed limit and people that go over this should get fined. But the way in which the higher powers are treating this as revenue generation is very obvious, ie the quotas.

I thought this was the main debate here? Am I wrong? Please set me straight if I am.

P.S. Don't resort to name calling. Spud has a job just like most of us and I am sure he does it well, it just happens to not be the most liked profession in the country, but I admire him for doing it.

[scumdog]

I think some people are taking this the wrong way.

What I hate about the way in which speeding is policed is that it is said that by issuing speeding tickets this will directly decrease the road toll. But the fact that last year the amount of tickets increased by 70% or so and the road toll increased. So how is this increasing road safety. Yes, I agree that there needs to be a speed limit and people that go over this should get fined. But the way in which the higher powers are treating this as revenue generation is very obvious, ie the quotas.

I thought this was the main debate here? Am I wrong? Please set me straight if I am.

P.S. Don't resort to name calling. Spud has a job just like most of us and I am sure he does it well, it just happens to not be the most liked profession in the country, but I admire him for doing it.

You ARE wrong - the total road toll HAS gone up but not by anywhere near the percentage/amount that vehicle numbers and km driven have gone up, plus if you don't like getting a speeding ticket - DON'T SPEED!!! it's that simple!

[k14]

You ARE wrong - the total road toll HAS gone up but not by anywhere near the percentage/amount that vehicle numbers and km driven have gone up, plus if you don't like getting a speeding ticket - DON'T SPEED!!! it's that simple!

Have you got a link for those statistics?

[scumdog]

Good on ya mate!!

I'll second that, if you don't like our speed limits/laws/penalty combo go to Aussie (or almost anywhere else) and have a crack at riding however fast YOU feel you should be allowed to.
Somewhere in this world is a whinger complaining that he got "done" because the girl was only 10% younger than she should have been to have sex with him - I bet no one called LOU will step up to bat for him!!!
I know it's not a fair comparison Lou but the law specifies a figure and someone has to try and keep people to that figure - regardless whether it is underaged sex, speed, blood alcohol or whatever.
If you just whimper to wind people up then let us all know that's what you're doing, if you are serious it is about time you quit, we're all getting just a little bit bored with it,, O.K.?

[scumdog]

Have you got a link for those statistics?

k14, no I don't have a link, I have printed graphs and figures but don't possess a scanner. (plus I'm not sure I would be allowed to just print them off - sort of copywrie I suppose!)
Keep"shopping around" and you may find another source for the info I have, Cheer.