New Police Stats.

[Lou Girardin]

Or, perish the thought, people aren't travelling as much with higher fuel prices.
I may be wrong, but I thought they compared the fatalities to 2003 figures. Which was much higher than 2002. More manipulation of stats by LTSA?
As a commentator said in a story about the Cambridge speed camera, the highest revenue earner in NZ, doesn't the fact that it is detecting so many speeders show that the system isn't working?
Lasers don't need to slow you down, celticno6. Experience better living through technology.
Lou
PS. Spud, fatalities per 100,000 km's travelled.

[marty]

well i live in cambridge, and i know for sure that it has slowed all the locals, trucks and north bound bikes down. it's mostly jafa's that are being snapped i'm pickin....

[jimbo600]

You ARE wrong - the total road toll HAS gone up but not by anywhere near the percentage/amount that vehicle numbers and km driven have gone up, plus if you don't like getting a speeding ticket - DON'T SPEED!!! it's that simple!

Maybe, but the ratio is consistent with other countries that employ a more lenient methodology of enforcement. A big factor is improvements in vehicle construction and safety development. I have lived here since 1996 and I can tell you without hyperbole that driving is alot more dangerous and frustrating since the heavy handed speed enforcement tactic. Folk are shit scared at going over 90km's lest they get a ticket. This results in huge convoys of irate drivers making extreme overtaking manoeuvres. Safer to cruise alert at 110kmh than half asleep at 100kmh.

[jimbo600]

Here's some more stuff for folks to consider.

Road Policing Statistics
Length of road in New Zealand: 91,000km
Number of licensed drivers: 2.52 million
Number of registered motor vehicles: 2.9 million
Number of Highway Patrol officers: 225
Time spent highway patrolling p.a: 32,049 days
Number of Traffic Offence Notices issued last year:
1.1 million
Number of crashes attended by Police in one year:
36,084 - about 100 every day
Annual Road Policing Budget: $196.4 million
Road Policing as proportion of Police budget: 22%

How do we compare?
Deaths per 10,000 vehicles (2001/02)
Sweden 1.1
Norway 1.0
UK 1.2
Australia 1.4
New Zealand 1.5
USA 1.9
France 2.3

Deaths per 100,000 population (2001/02)
Sweden 6.2
Norway 6.1
UK 6.1
Australia 9.0
New Zealand 10.3
France 13.8


Per 10,000 vehicles NZ isn't too bad compared to other countries but per 100,000 of population we are crap.

More people use public transport overseas than here so the ratio of population to car user in NZ is very high. Also it's interesting to note that the stats for fatalities per 10,000 vehicles which I believe to be more apprpriate; the countries that have a lower rate than NZ have higher speed limits and greater speed tolorance (with the exeption of france.) The USA has a lower limit and strict enforcement yet worse statistics.

[Slim]

well i live in cambridge, and i know for sure that it has slowed all the locals

Hell yes.

[spudchucka]

Or, perish the thought, people aren't travelling as much with higher fuel prices.
I may be wrong, but I thought they compared the fatalities to 2003 figures. Which was much higher than 2002. More manipulation of stats by LTSA?
As a commentator said in a story about the Cambridge speed camera, the highest revenue earner in NZ, doesn't the fact that it is detecting so many speeders show that the system isn't working?
Lasers don't need to slow you down, celticno6. Experience better living through technology.
Lou
PS. Spud, fatalities per 100,000 km's travelled.

I'll happily stand corrected but I'm sure the report I saw was comparing only this years road deaths. They were trying to cash in on the alleged impact of the anywhere anytime campaign, which has only been in existance for the last few months.

What stuns me about speed cameras is that fools keep getting caught by the bloody things. If they are willing to part with their money in this manner then good on them, just keep on speeding. I can understand your reasoning about the number of people getting caught suggests they don't work. A survey of speeds in that area would be interesting to compare to pre camera days.

Lou that would be an interesting stat but my feeling is that obtaining reliable figures would be next to impossible as there are a lot of people that disconect speedos. I don't see how an accurate figure could be obtained. They would probably just survey a sample of motorists and estimate a national figure, which wouldn't make for a compelling statistic.

[pete376403]

Or, perish the thought, people aren't travelling as much with higher fuel prices.
I may be wrong, but I thought they compared the fatalities to 2003 figures. Which was much higher than 2002. More manipulation of stats by LTSA?
As a commentator said in a story about the Cambridge speed camera, the highest revenue earner in NZ, doesn't the fact that it is detecting so many speeders show that the system isn't working?.

I thought the Ngauranga Gorge camera was the best earner. And thats a shonky speed trap if ever I saw one. A six lane, divided highway has a speed reduction from 100 to 80. Little over 1 km later the speed is back up to 100. And right in the middle of the 80km bit is a speed camera.
I feel very tempted to invest in a paint ball gun, and some home reloads with fast drying laquer paint...

[vifferman]

I feel very tempted to invest in a paint ball gun, and some home reloads with fast drying laquer paint...

People in a town in the USA did exactly that in protest to speed cameras being introduced. After a while, it became financially unviable to keep cleaning/fixing the cameras, so they got rid of them.

While we're on this topic, are the fixed speed cameras still being used? A few months ago, someone pointed out they hadn't seen the camera at home (you can tell by looking for the flashbulb in the window) in their local speed camera for a long time. Someone else said they'd suspended use of them because of some legal/technical snafu.

[matthewt]

While we're on this topic, are the fixed speed cameras still being used? A few months ago, someone pointed out they hadn't seen the camera at home (you can tell by looking for the flashbulb in the window) in their local speed camera for a long time. Someone else said they'd suspended use of them because of some legal/technical snafu.

Yup, I got pinged (from the front he he) about 3 weeks ago through Petone.

[riffer]

I must be doing something wrong. I can't seem to set that sucker off.

Do you have to ride EXACTLY in the middle of the hexagon pads.

Surely my bike isn't too light to set it off?

[matthewt]

I must be doing something wrong. I can't seem to set that sucker off.

Do you have to ride EXACTLY in the middle of the hexagon pads.

Surely my bike isn't too light to set it off?

Why are you trying to set it off ????

Maybe you're not going fast enough