Now they have gone TOO far methinks...

[Beemer]

When I saw Susan Wood trying to talk to the family last night I was appalled. The mother looked smug, like she had got away with something, and as for the others only talking in Maori - give me a break! The comment from one was very telling - "if I DID want to talk, I wouldn't talk to you". What's the bet if Close Up had offered MONEY for the interview, people would have been spilling their guts left, right and centre.

I don't read them anyway, but if I see one story giving the family's side of the story in a woman's magazine, I will go apeshit. This is not entertainment, it's a crime. I wouldn't be at all surprised to see bits and pieces from the crime scene on Trade Me ' "the 4x2 that smashed my babies' heads in - make an offer" or "the hoodie the killer was wearing at the time".

I am quite happy to be known as a Pakeha now (hated it in the past) because at least it means I am not in any way related to scum like this. Should line them up and shoot them.

[James Deuce]

On a related note, Lillybing's family have just killed another baby, and the media are calling it "Mother's heartache."

I know the details.

It was avoidable.

I'm getting that vigilante feeling again.

Fish - break out the armoury.

[Finn]

Reading these posts, it appears we are more pissed at maoridom than the deaths themselves. We are all well aware of the social problems with maori mostly brought on by white man's pampering. Maori's killing, raping, stealing, murdering or just doing absolutely nothing is very common. We are used to it and will forget about it in a week or so when one of the All Blacks gets a parking ticket.

Ugga bugga ahatearohah.

[Finn]

I'm getting that vigilante feeling again.

But Jim, honkies are to blame for this. We've pampered them for years and now we are paying the price. Jesus, now they are even represented in parliament! If you want to start a war, you need to start in Wellington. Where do I sign up?

[MSTRS:Me]

Reading these posts, it appears we are more pissed at maoridom than the deaths themselves. We are all well aware of the social problems with maori mostly brought on by white man's pampering. Maori's killing, raping, stealing, murdering or just doing absolutely nothing is very common. We are used to it and will forget about it in a week or so when one of the All Blacks gets a parking ticket.

Ugga bugga ahatearohah.

Most of us won't forget....will be added to the already impressive list of stuff we know (some) Maori do and will generally increase the idea that ALL Maori are like this. Yay for tolerance and racial harmony!!

[Paul in NZ]

What's astounding is how willing this family are to move themselves from being the victims of a tragedy (which it fucking is, make no mistake) to being poster children for Maoridoms arrogance and violent culture. Even Helen Clarke is pissed at them. Even Pita Sharples.

Personally I actually think it's a good thing. The cause of Maori children being beaten ... in some cases to death ... has been lifted into the public eye and culture of New Zealand again. Maybe this time something will actually get done about it.

Yeah, right.

Dave

Well said...

There is a real disconnection between cause and effect in this underculture. I honestly think a lot of people have utterly NO grasp on how the world works and the basic economics of I go to work and make money for the company and some of that pays my wages sort of idea. They all seem to think they are owed something or are just one small jump away from superstardom or something. Wealth is built in layers and over time, these are just dysfunctional and bitter stupid people. Bah! Neuter the lot of em, diversity be damned!

[Finn]

I honestly think a lot of people have utterly NO grasp on how the world works and the basic economics of I go to work and make money for the company and some of that pays my wages sort of idea. They all seem to think they are owed something or are just one small jump away from superstardom or something.

Well geez Paul, I wonder where they got that idea from?

On a related note, Superintendent Steve Shortland summed it up well.

There is an element of hypocrisy to Maori and Pacific Island cultures that promote aroha (love) and whanau (family), says Counties Manukau's police district commander, Superintendent Steve Shortland.

Maori and Pacific Island people were over-represented in family violence statistics, he said at yesterday's vigil at Mangere Mountain to welcome Matariki, the Maori New Year.

Given that the cultures claimed to embrace aroha and whanau, there was "some sort of hypocrisy" going on. "How do you embrace whanau and aroha when you are belting each other and children for no reason other than 'We are angry'?"

I bet he was holding back. Annette's Kings answer to this problem is to teach maori's how to save better. WTF?

[SARGE]

! If you want to start a war, you need to start in Wellington. Where do I sign up?

funny enough.. i have the signup sheets over here ..

[Finn]

funny enough.. i have the signup sheets over here ..

Just as long as the yanks are fighting in front of me I don't mind.

[terbang]

I havnt read through all of this thread so forgive me if I repeat. The "tight twelve" clearly indicate that they know who killed these poor wee dots and yet we all (NZ) sit back waiting for them to get over it and perhaps come clean with some answers in their own time. Surely they are all breaking some law by some sort of association or for witholding evidence or for simply telling lies. I know the human rights bla bla bla, but I am sure that rounding up and chucking all 12 of them in the slammer and cutting their benefits would surely bring a swift end to this fiasco.

[SARGE]

Just as long as the yanks are fighting in front of me I don't mind.

i dont have a problem with that bro


i think we have this all wrong folks ..this was a Maori New Year celebration..


the cops just found the bodies before the motherfuckers could fire up the hangi and eat them..

do these idiots really think they will get away scott free with this?

mob rule i tells ya .. let the gangs go ahead and deal with this in thier own way,..then arrest them..

sorted

[Finn]

do these idiots really think they will get away scott free with this?

Ah probably. Besides, what's the worst that can happen? 3 year prison sentence? Choice bro, get a heated room, sky, 3 cooked feeds a day and get to be with the rest of my farnow.

[SARGE]

Ah probably. Besides, what's the worst that can happen? 3 year prison sentence? Choice bro, get a heated room, sky, 3 cooked feeds a day and get to be with the rest of my farnow.

DAMMIT FINN!!!!

You must spread some Reputation around before giving it to Finn again.

[Winston001]

In a strange and appalling way, the deaths of these two children could ultimately prove to be a good thing. Their deaths may serve a higher purpose. At last mainstream New Zealand is taking notice of child abuse and from that will come action. The shame that Maoridom are feeling might just be enough to get frank discussion going in their families and on marae.

This tragedy is far from being the first child murders, or even being unusual. Lilybing, James Whakarewa etc. North and South magazine has run a campaign for 6 years exposing child abuse. Has anyone of influence taken notice? Of course not. White middle class mag - who cares.

And lets not kid ourselves - the only special thing here is that twins died. Makes for a great media story. But if the deaths of these poor little babies means that finally all kiwis realise what is happening in some homes - and we change that - a great good will be achieved. Here's hoping.

[James Deuce]

Winston, what happens with this sort of thing is the white middle class (or brown, or yellow, or scallop pearl) families end up being prevented by law from disciplining their children effectively. Nothing else changes. Laws only affect those who chose to abide by them.

The dob in a child abuser scheme is about as clever and trustworthy as the dob in a driver scheme.