Serious advice please

[k14]

Can you please explain? I thought F3 would be considerably cheaper.

Not if you want to be at the pointy end. Since the F3 regs are much more relaxed than 600's, the money you could spend on engine mods etc will balance the fact that a 600 costs alot more to purchase but you can't spend as much on mods. Bit hard to understand sometimes but I've heard how much the top F3 guys have spent on their bikes and it isn't cheap.

[Biohazard]

I'm too un-educated to give you a worth while piece of advice, but will offer you this - You're only going to live once.

I'm with Sawnny, but I could sware i've been here before

Seriously though 600's bigger bang for ya buck

[justsomeguy]

Not if you want to be at the pointy end. Since the F3 regs are much more relaxed than 600's, the money you could spend on engine mods etc will balance the fact that a 600 costs alot more to purchase but you can't spend as much on mods. Bit hard to understand sometimes but I've heard how much the top F3 guys have spent on their bikes and it isn't cheap.

OK just for educational purposes - say you were in Frosty's place and you decided to get into F2 - could you please explain what you would do - type of bike, list of mods and the costs involved.

Thanks.

[Sparky Bills]

10k for the SV!!??

MATE!! Thats gotta say it all dont it???

[Maido]

OK just for educational purposes - say you were in Frosty's place and you decided to get into F2 - could you please explain what you would do - type of bike, list of mods and the costs involved.

this should give you an idea of rules

http://www.motorcyclingnz.co.nz/down...cies_ABCDE.PDF

as far as type of bike, I don't think it really matters (this coming from a through and through honda man!!!) but ask shaun he will tell you the best !!!,
most 600's (including year old bikes) are within a stones throw of each other (5-8hp at the most)
although saying this, this years nationals lap times droped about 1 second consistantly at all tracks (this could also be due to intense competition)
each brand has it strong and weak points.

as GPERCIVAL says, they are a bucket load of fun!!!

(PS it isn't F2 any more, only a technicallity , F indicates formula class meaning highly modified)

[FROSTY:Me]

thanks guys --still undecided --um Maido--at club level up here we still run a F2 class -lets older modified bikes compete with the new stuff

[vtec]

I want to go to F2 (or supersports) next year after racing my first season of streetstocks. It's definitely the way forward if you want to chase your dream of being the best rider you can be. I think you should do it too. Your decision. You've probably got a lot more responsibilities than I do, so it's probably a harder decision for you. But you only live once, and you have to chase your dream.

[R1madness]

Go for the 600 Production class. But if you want to win it you will need several things.
1 A great team that is dedicated to helping you win and will follow you around the country during race season for no money.
2 A bike suitable for winning. This means a NEW bike at the start of the season. 6-8hp is an impossable deficate to overcome.
3 A good tyre sponser.
4 A good cash sponser.
5 Good luck
6 A great team that is dedicated to helping you win and will follow you around the country during race season for no money.
7 Good luck

Hope you can get it all together in time. There is always new riders needed in the top classes.

[Maido]

at club level up here we still run a F2 class

same with our club, it is just a way of bundling all the 600's both old and new as well as 250's etc It doesn't have its own set of rules though.

[FROSTY:Me]

um er well finances might dictate my choice

[loosebruce]

um er well finances might dictate my choice

Go 600's ya pussy, nuff said

you're not getting ay younger Tony, and you can always take a step back and get a cheapish F3 bike again easy enough, you had a good season just gone you ar the fastest and most confident i have ever seen you and it makes sence to carry that trend on and get a 600 and see how you go, dont hum and har about it, you dont want to go another couple of years and wonder er what if i did get that 600, do it now otherwise it might be too late!
To spend another $10K on the motor in your SV just doesn't add up in my books, you could sell your SV and use trhat $10K and get a K4/5 race bike fully set up with cash to spare, the deals are out there, espesially with the K6 on the scene now, Most top level guys will be ditching the K5's soon enough and they're still be very very capable bikes in the right hands.
Look at Scotty Charlton racing Bernards K4 and kicking it with Stroud and Co on the K5's (1000's that is).
Be good to see ya in 600 proddy mate, and as said you can cross enter into F1 as well, that in itself must be a big pull towards getting the 600.

All the best with your decision Tony.

[Cleve]

Couldn't agree more with LB and the others who recommend you go 600's. Paul, Greg and I need other fellas towards the rear of the 600 field to play with while all those young guns are up ahead.

I hummed and harred for a while between FIII and FII. Having a lot of fun in FII.
Come join the party Frosty.

[roogazza]

Pray tell me ! What is the attaction of going to another class ? do you want to spend more money ? Do you think you're a better rider if in another class ? If thats the case go straight to F1 . In actual fact, racing in my era was harder and more cut throat in smaller engine classes, is this still not true today ? or am I out of touch ?
It is an age old argument, you choose, for me I wanted the scrap and the cheap racing and thats just what i got. Gaz.

[vtec]

Roo, from where I'm sitting, the F2 (supersports) class has the most riders, and appears to be the most competitive. Not taking away from the F1 boys, but if you are out to prove yourself, there's nothing better than beating a huge F2 field. Plus the amount of competition is great for increasing your riding skills (also increases risk too). Harder racing is what many of us want. Thats why I put my CBR250 in F3 sometimes.

Also, it appears that it could be cheaper at national level to be competitive on an F2 rather than an F3 bike. For just going out and having a blast, F3 would be cheaper, but to make an F3 bike competitve takes big bucks too, and i'm pretty sure that's what Frosty wants. He wants to make a charge on a National title.

[roogazza]

Roo, from where I'm sitting, the F2 (supersports) class has the most riders, and appears to be the most competitive. Not taking away from the F1 boys, but if you are out to prove yourself, there's nothing better than beating a huge F2 field. Plus the amount of competition is great for increasing your riding skills (also increases risk too). Harder racing is what many of us want. Thats why I put my CBR250 in F3 sometimes.

Also, it appears that it could be cheaper at national level to be competitive on an F2 rather than an F3 bike. For just going out and having a blast, F3 would be cheaper, but to make an F3 bike competitve takes big bucks too, and i'm pretty sure that's what Frosty wants. He wants to make a charge on a National title.

After thinking about it , the 600's are probably the evolution of the old 410 production . They went on to 550cc to let the Suzukis etc in and then it became 600 ? It looks good racing and it looks expensive. Hasn't F2 died a bit ? I remember seeing Anstey on a 250 at Wanganui sorting them out. But now you have about four bikes in 250GP and the 600's have got too fast . It must be very hard for young guys to finance 600's in the present day. I used to buy an Rd350 for $500 and use about 4 or 5 tyres for a season and that was a real season with lots of Street circuits.
But getting back to Frosty, is he in the top five ? I would have thought you could get good racing at the front of that lot and for less money? ( except Terry whats his name who spends a fortune) G.