Coldest June since 1972....

[Jantar]

Global warming.

Number of unbiased & reputable scientists who say it is real: SHIT LOADS

Number of unbiased & reputable scientists who say it's a crock: SOME


So who's right? I dunno, but I'd put my money on the first group. And keep an open mind that they might be wrong.....

Safer to assume they are right and turn out wrong than the other way around.

Yes there are SHIT LOADS of unbiased & reputable scientists who say it is real. But very few climate or physical scientists.

Yes there are SOME unbiased & reputable scientists who say it's a crock. Unfortunately for your argument the SOME just happen to outnumber the SHIT LOADS in the actual field of climatology.

The reason we here about the SHIT LOADS, but not the SOME is mainly political. The IPCC in preparing their Climate reports get SHIT LOADS of climate scientists from all over the world to write reports, and each report is on a small section and targeted at an outcome. These reports are then combined to make it appear as though ALL the contributing scientist are unaminous in their combined view. Last year one New Zealand Scientist resigned as leader of the team investigating Hurricane occurrance, when he was told what his report would say before he had even completed his research.

[sels1]

As for world temperature being recorded for over a hundred years? Sorry, but there are very few weather stations with unbroken accurate records spanning that length of time.

Weather observations began in NZ in the 1850s, many nations were already doing obs by then. Some lighthouses in the UK go back even further. Army Forts in the American West were doing obs in the 1870s as were lighthouses and ports thoughout the British Empire.(on which the sun never set)
Some of NZs oldest observing sites:
Dunedin Botanical Gardens 1852
Auckland Albert Park 1853
Christchurch 1864
Napier 1862
Hokitika 1866
Queenstown 1871
Fairwell Spit lighthouse 1874
Puysegur Point lighthouse 1880
This from a list of NZs 38 oldest sites, all 38 over 100 years old. (Most of these sites still reporting today)
The story is the same in most countries, especially where British and European colonists had some influence.

[Lou Girardin]

Cos they're easier to catch than sheep.

But you need platform gumboots.

[Squeak the Rat]

Last year one New Zealand Scientist resigned as leader of the team investigating Hurricane occurrance, when he was told what his report would say before he had even completed his research.

Tell me more.......

[Jantar]

Tell me more.......

Here is the open letter from Chris Landsea to his colleagues explaining his resignation.
http://sciencepolicy.colorado.edu/pr...ea_leaves.html

[Jantar]

Sorry, I got one point wrong. It wasn't Chris Landsea who was the New Zealand Scientist, it was Dr. Kevin Trenberth. Dr Trenberth announced to a public conference what Dr Landsea's research would find for the IPCC, even before the research had been completed. This put Chris Landsea in an impossible position of either having to fabricate results to meet the desired outcome or to carry on and present real results in defiance of his boss. He took the honorable option and resigned while making his reasons public.

[Fryin Finn]

I remember 1972 - had my first steady girlfriend, didn't pay much attention to the weather. Took her out to the Porirua road races. Was pootling about on my brothers Honda SS50 and saving real hard for my first bike. We split up before Xmas which made saving easier.