Global Warming

[Big Dave]

You make the mistake of thinking Gaia's running things for mankind's benefit

An who is that when he/she is home? Scientologits?

I just had a surf around that Oz Climate group site - vested interest .org group of the style previously identified by Hitcher. Possibly funded by the opposition.

[Wolf]

Sure - but we shouldn't be giving potential cataclysm a possible hand.

The answer is more people on more motorcycles.

Your wish is our command

[James Deuce]

Could it possibly be that it all has sod all to do with CO2 or methane emissions?

Could it be that the answer is that the Earth's ecosphere isn't a closed system, but affected greatly by outside stimuli? That investigating and concluding that terrestrial based phenomena is only one tine of a very big fork?

http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Maunder_Minimum

The whole argument that has been sold to the "public" (you know, the people that a large part of the scientific community regard as dummies) is only one small part of a very large dilemma. The more knowledge you uncover the less you know. The Solar Activity Proxies graph hides a recent dip in sunspot activity from the late '60s to the early 90s, incidentally the period of time that we started bunging useful satellites up.

[Pixie]

An who is that when he/she is home? Scientologits?

I just had a surf around that Oz Climate group site - vested interest .org group of the style previously identified by Hitcher. Possibly funded by the opposition.

The Gaia hypothesis:
http://www.oceansonline.com/gaiaho.htm

[Wolf]

I asked a dinosaur that was sitting on my TV antenna;she said "it gives you wings"

Brilliant. I wonder what Nature/Gaia/Danu will give us?


The ultimate (for us, anyway) "Darwin Award", possibly...

[Pixie]

Brilliant. I wonder what Nature/Gaia/Danu will give us?


The ultimate (for us, anyway) "Darwin Award", possibly...

Big veiny heads and a life underground worshipping a bomb

[Wolf]

Big veiny heads and a life underground worshipping a bomb

Ugh!


Waiter! I'll have the mass extinction, please.

[Pixie]

Planet of the Apes - The Musical

"Stop the Planet of the Apes,I want to get off"




Song Lyrics

"Dr. Zaius"

Ape: Help, the human's about to escape.
Troy: Get your paws off me, you dirty ape.
Ape: [gasping] He can talk!

Apes: [in unison, rythmed] He can talk
He can talk
He can talk
He can talk
He can talk
He can talk

Troy: [singing] I can siiiiiing!

[funky beat of "Rock Me Amadeus" starts playing]

Female Nurse Ape: Ooh, help me Dr. Zaius!
Apes: [in unison] Dr. Zaius, Dr. Zaius
Dr. Zaius, Dr. Zaius
Dr. Zaius, Dr. Zaius
Oh... Dr. Zaius
Ape: Dr. Zaius, Dr. Zaius.

Troy: What's wrong with me?
Zaius: I think you're crazy.
Troy: Want a second opinion.
Zaius: You're also lazy.

Apes: [in unison] Dr. Zaius, Dr. Zaius
Dr. Zaius, Dr. Zaius
Dr. Zaius, Dr. Zaius

[one ape starts breakdancing]

Oh... Dr. Zaius
Ape: Dr. Zaius, Dr. Zaius.

Troy: Can I play the piano anymore?
Zaius: Of course you can.
Troy: Well I couldn't before!

[plays piano]

"You'll Never Make a Monkey Out of Me"

Troy: [singing] I hate every ape I see
From chimpan-a to chimpan-zee
No, you'll never make a monkey out of me

Oh my God, I was wrong
It was Earth all along

You've finally made a monkey
Apes: Yes, we've finally made a monkey
Troy: Yes, you've finally made a monkey out of me
Apes: Yes, we've finally made a monkey out of you

Troy: I love you, Dr. Zaius!

[Big Dave]

Brilliant. I wonder what Nature/Gaia/Danu will give us?
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........42.

[Winston001]

Could it be that the answer is that the Earth's ecosphere isn't a closed system, but affected greatly by outside stimuli? That investigating and concluding that terrestrial based phenomena is only one tine of a very big fork?

http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Maunder_Minimum

The Solar Activity Proxies graph hides a recent dip in sunspot activity from the late '60s to the early 90s, incidentally the period of time that we started bunging useful satellites up.

Interesting link and you are right. Most climate debate ignores the single biggest factor - the Sun. And then there are the gravity fields of the sun and the moon to consider plus fluctuations in the earth's magnetic field.

The trouble is that we can't influence these forces - but we can stop killing other species in the bio-sphere. And poisoning our environment.

[James Deuce]

Monofilament solar mirrors. All we need is the nano tech to build them in orbit.

[Jantar]

Interesting link and you are right. Most climate debate ignores the single biggest factor - the Sun. .

Not quite, The sun and its effects have only been ignored by the Global Warming lobby. Most of ther nay-sayers have recognised the relationship between the sun and earth's temperatures for many years. There has been a lot of very usefull work in this field by Dr Theodor Landscheidt of Schroeter Institute for Research in Cycles of Solar Activity, Klammerfelsweg 5, 93449 Waldmuenchen, Germany.

See http://www.john-daly.com/theodor/co2new.htm for an example of his work.

[Jantar]

I am noticing a very interesting trend in this debate. The proponents of Global Warming are tending to reference media reports, while the opponents are tending to reference the origional scientific research. Does that mean anything?

[Big Dave]

Does that mean anything?

They are media reports - therefore easier to find - promoted.

They paraphrase scientific jargon into language the layman can understand.

The abridge and summarise the findings rather than present dry data.

Most employ qualified people to do so.

There is no reason not to.

And the opponents are more numerous.

[Jantar]

They are media reports - therefore easier to find - promoted.

They paraphrase scientific jargon into language the layman can understand.

The abridge and summarise the findings rather than present dry data.

Most employ qualified people to do so.

There is no reason not to.

And the opponents are more numerous.

Among climate scientists I would agree, but in the general public I believe the proponents would be more numerous.

However science is not about concensus, its about research and repeatable experiment and calculation. If it was that the majority are always right then Galileo would never have been able to his research believed.