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    1200cc Twins for WSBK '08

    Apologies if this is a repost, but they just screwed up WSBK to keep Ducati on side. They are still discussing restrictors vs engine modification limits. How do you police the limit option?

    They same team also said no to the Triumph 675 in Supersport. The same guys that allowed the FP1 to race for years without a showroom presence in a production based racing class.

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    Quote Originally Posted by Jim2
    Apologies if this is a repost, but they just screwed up WSBK to keep Ducati on side. They are still discussing restrictors vs engine modification limits. How do you police the limit option?

    They same team also said no to the Triumph 675 in Supersport. The same guys that allowed the FP1 to race for years without a showroom presence in a production based racing class.

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    It seem pointless when you consider that Bayliss is dominant again on the 1000cc twin. Why give them another 200cc to play with? Are they going to reduce the restrictions on the IL4's to let them compete?

    Fucked if I'll bother watching it if it ends up being a one manufacturer domination all over again.

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    Hold on, Troy Bayliss on a [Ducati] v-twin is currently leading the competition........by a country mile.

    How do they justify increasing the limit for the lead bike?

    I'm a little dissapointed at this news. I've only started watching superbikes again recently after switching off circa 2002 because I saw it was finally a fair competition and some great racing.

    I'm afraid I'll probably be switching off again.....Bad news for racing and motorcycling in general.

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    The whole reason for going to 1200cc is because Ducati said its too costly for them too compete at the current level with the constant engine rebuilding required. Whats to stop the bastards spending the same money on the 1200's and completely annihalating the opposition.
    Its all because Ducati have been the Stalwart of the WBSK for many years and the organisers happen to be Italian!!!
    Ducati are rumoured to be in a bit of financial strife at the moment (as all italian bike firms usually are) so with the announcement of a 1200cc bike and the acceptance into a major championship, it can only mean big bucks for them......
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    I think the japs should do as they said they would and pull out of WSB..fuck the italians let them play with themselves.they have been bitching for years and continually get there way so fuck em..game over,i would certainly rather watch a series being fought out by jap manufacturers than continue to watch ducati blantantly bend rules to suit there needs.

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    Thinnest book in the world : Italian book of war heros !

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    Surely they could just make a printing mistake and avoid all this fuss - it worked before......

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    Quote Originally Posted by SimJen
    The whole reason for going to 1200cc is because Ducati said its too costly for them too compete at the current level with the constant engine rebuilding required. Whats to stop the bastards spending the same money on the 1200's and completely annihalating the opposition.
    Its all because Ducati have been the Stalwart of the WBSK for many years and the organisers happen to be Italian!!!
    Ducati are rumoured to be in a bit of financial strife at the moment (as all italian bike firms usually are) so with the announcement of a 1200cc bike and the acceptance into a major championship, it can only mean big bucks for them......
    That about sums it up. I remember seeing somewhere that the top Ducati engine casings last a race and they're buggered. Perhaps they should have something like Formula 1 where you are only allowed a certain no of engines per season. Or even better have the same sort of mods that you are allowed in Supersport.

    You can't blame the Italians for trying, but when was the last time you saw a Ducati (or any V Twin) succesfully competing in a Superstock race. I know that it's called Superbike, but it's a bit much too see one really fast Ducati wiping the floor and have the factory complaining that it's too expensive.

    I like twins (vertical or V), but they can't really compete with the inline fours performance wise on a straight cc basis. Great streetbikes, but ...

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    Interesting that the 675 Triumph isn't allowed..

    1200cc for 2 cylinders, 1000cc for 4 cylinders.

    So, for every 1 less cylinder, add 10% of the 4 cylinder capacity.
    ie. 1000cc + 100 + 100.

    So, 600 series
    4 cyl = 600, 3 cyl = 600 + 10% = 660 cc

    Nope, not allowed.....

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    Quote Originally Posted by roogazza
    Thinnest book in the world : Italian book of war heros !

    Italian Tanks : 1 Forward gear and 4 Reverse !!!!!! Gaz.
    Mods, I wish to formally protest at this blatant denigration of the proud Italian fighting man.
    I wish to protest even more at his lack of originality.
    I'm sure roogazza means "my boyfriend is a kangaroo"

    Anyhoo, it's obvious why Ducati is winning - traction control. You just had to watch Bayliss and Toseland at Misano, Baylis' bike was on rails (until he lost the front) Toseland was being tossed (punny) all over the place.
    When the Japs have traction control working, the Ducatis will be nowhere.
    Besides, how did traction control become permitted anyway?
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    Did you say traction control or tractor control??

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    Quote Originally Posted by The_Dover
    Did you say traction control or tractor control??
    Harley's don't race in WSBK
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    Smile No! Shrink the IL4s instead!

    Why not leave the V2s as 1000cc and make the IL-4s restricted to 800cc, thus bringing them closer to next year's MotoGP machines? Then they could have proper MotoGP replicas as production bikes (not just fancy colour schemes)! CBR800RR, ZX-8RR, YZFR8, GSX-R800 anyone?
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    Quote Originally Posted by slob
    Why not leave the V2s as 1000cc and make the IL-4s restricted to 800cc, thus bringing them closer to next year's MotoGP machines? Then they could have proper MotoGP replicas as production bikes (not just fancy colour schemes)! CBR800RR, ZX-8RR, YZFR8, GSX-R800 anyone?
    I'll just go and order my GSXR 800 now then.
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