PUKE Raceway BIKES ONLY DAY

[RiderInBlack]

I didn't see you boycott Frosty's track days because he doesn't use bales, Doug.

1. Frosty's track days are on Taupo which does not have the armco as close to the track on the corners as Puke.
2. Frosty also goes to the touble of having Marshall at each corner (not seen that on Puke Open Days ether).
3. Ya don't have to be "Racing" to fu*k-up on the track. Have seen accidents on track days the were bad enough as riders are often setting a paces faster than they would on the road. So please don't tell me it's safer cause they aren't "racing".
4. I'm not boycotting this ether. Just saying that if the bales are available then it's a good idea to put them out and that putting them out does not make riders "poofers".

Please don't shoot down riders that want ta improve Track Day Safey. One day ya might be glad they did.

[Drunken Monkey]

Last time I checked this wasn't a Frosty trackday, as he wasn't too keen on doing them at Pukekohe, for safety reasons. Nuff said.

I'm not disagreeing with that. He looked at bayles as an option and decided the cost & effort made the track day impractical. Unless you've come up with some magic formula, I can't see how you won't come to the same conclusion.

Sorry Doug, I let myself get wound up over nothing. I just don't want to see either (a) the cost of the track day get up to what those other ones can get to (around $180pp) which apparently have less track time (because of the tuition), or (b) end up having a few people spend a considerable amount of their own personal extra time (I still have no idea how someone thinks they can turn Pukekohe into a 'safe' track in 25 minutes) for the sake of others at no cost. I don't know how many other people have put 'free' time into organising or assisting events like this, but I have - it takes so much effort I don't do it anymore, and I wouldn't want to wish it upon anyone else.

[Drunken Monkey]

If the AMCC is kindly donating it, are you prepared to just mooch off their good will?

Its a fool who pays for something he could get for free.

Once-offs are fine, but nobody likes a freeloading scab. Clubs can't exist on goodwill and a 'cheers mate' alone; my priciples would forbid me from accpeting a considerable offer like that without giving AMCC something back in return.

[Arven]

I agree with RiderInBlack. I have raced on Taupo and felt perfectly safe. If you come off, you slide along the road into the dirt get up and dust yourself off.. (At the last KB Trackday, I saw about 7 people do just that). At Puke if you were to slide off on that corner (The one with the rise coming up to the short straight), you would slide along the track, across 1m of grass and smash into the Armco. Every time I went round that corner I was wary of it. Didn’t stop me having a good time, but it would have been better with a little less risk involved. Who designed puke anyways?!? Stupid design if you ask me...

I have seen many car crashes on that corner and the cars don’t look too pretty afterwards. I would hate to think what would happen to a biker.

[Drunken Monkey]

I'm not syaing sliding into an armco isn't hazardous to your health, but how much do you want to spend? I can make it the safest race track in the world for ya, with pillows and bean bags around the entire track, with a fire marshal every 50 meters and only 1 person on the track per 5 minute session (don't want tired riders on the track!). It's going to cost ya $$$$$$$$$$$$ though.

[RiderInBlack]

With Puke as far as I am concerned only the exit from the Hill Corner poses the greatest danger, therefore for Open Bike Only Days would only bother putting the bales on that corner's exit. That is not to say that other Corners on that track are risky, just that the Hill corner has the potential for the most damage. This of cause would have ta take inconsideration the availability of AMCC's bales and a few helpers ta put them out and take them in.
Does anyone even know if AMCC would "Hire Out" their bales? Cause conversations I've had down this line have suggested in the past they would not.
To bad the Track does not provide their own.

Anyway regardless whether the bales are used or not, it will still be a good day. I hope that the timing and finances are right for me, so I can take "Roxanne's" fat arse around Puke again (long over due I tell ya).

[kickingzebra]

I'm not sure how AMCC does it, but those bales are rather cumbersome to move on and off the track every two or three weeks, so I suspect they store them there. with maybe 10 people putting them out, when I marshalled there last, it took all of 25 minutes to put them out, about the same to put them away again.

Fair comment about cost, but I am not even sure AMCC are the owners of said bales, and they sure ain't anything flash. In saying that, if it was me sliding, I'd happily hit them instead of armco!

We could always ask someone at the club?! Stephanie Merriweather?

[Kickaha]

I'm not sure how AMCC does it, but those bales are rather cumbersome to move on and off the track every two or three weeks

When we did it for the Nationals they had a flat deck truck and a Falcon ute, wouldn't have taken any more than 30 minutes to do turn 1 and the hill.

[kickingzebra]

I was thinking more along the lines of on and off the premises. I guess they store them there.

[texmo]

For sure Gixer, I'd be there with bells on if I can do wheelies at lunch time or something.

Sweet I dont care about the other shit going on but if you are gonna go I will defintly go.