Death Penalty...

**jazbug5** · 15th July 2006, 02:25

Originally Posted by scumdog

Love the 'feed to pigs' bit, do that to remains of 'suicide' bombers remains and pretty soon you wouldn't have any more 'volunteer' suicide Moslem bombers.

By the way, do you like Focaccia bread at all...?

I'm not sure the bombers take issue with the uniformed, Halal variety.

**scumdog** · 15th July 2006, 02:30

Originally Posted by jazbug5

By the way, do you like Focaccia bread at all...?

I'm not sure the bombers take issue with the uniformed, Halal variety.

Shee-it yeah, love Fecocicia bread with a cheese board..

And they ALL would take BIG notice if they all thought their remains were going to be fed to pigs.

Losers, anybody that thinks that is the type is on a 'winner' is the same type that believes Noddys car has a current W.O.F.

WOOO, this Duty Free Wild Grouse is GOOD!!!

**jazbug5** · 15th July 2006, 02:34

Originally Posted by scumdog

WOOO, this Duty Free Wild Grouse is GOOD!!!

Obvioushly sho.

*Hic*

**scumdog** · 15th July 2006, 02:37

Och ya bissom, away and cause bother to them that needs it. *Hic*

**jazbug5** · 15th July 2006, 02:38

Hud yer wheesht, ya bleezin' numpty.

**scumdog** · 15th July 2006, 02:48

Originally Posted by jazbug5

Hud yer wheesht, ya bleezin' numpty.

Haud yer wheesht yerself ye glackit bissom, I'm, stoat'n wee ma postin on Kay Bee the nicht.

**jazbug5** · 15th July 2006, 02:52

Ah amnae the glakit een hee-ir, min. Wisen up afore ye cut yersel awn yer ain wit...

Fit a scunner.

**scumdog** · 15th July 2006, 03:04

Originally Posted by jazbug5

Ah amnae the glakit een hee-ir, min. Wisen up afore ye cut yersel awn yer ain wit...

Fit a scunner.

Ahve a muckle braw heed on ma shooders, nae worries an'nea haeverin'! aboot ma wisen-up, jist had a grand meal of tatties'm'neeps wee a bit of haggis..a wee dram is jist th' go reet noo so whoos haeverin??

**jazbug5** · 15th July 2006, 03:07

Originally Posted by scumdog

a wee dram is jist th' go reet noo so whoos haeverin??

'Richt noo', or 'of noo'... unless yer half Geordie an' a?

Fa's haverin, feel? An a wee dram's aywis the go, min: nae need tae eat shite first, like!

**acewheelie** · 15th July 2006, 07:32

William Bell almost killed my sister, I say fry him, and I'm by far not the only one.

**Skyryder** · 15th July 2006, 09:10

Originally Posted by scumdog

Yeah SR, I ain't THAT clean- but my 'crimes' were victimless - no WOF, a speeding ticket etc.

I've compassion for somebody that 'scews-up' on something a little more serious once (or maybe twice).

But after that - and if it involves a serious consequence for any victim then my 'compassion' tends to run a tad thin.

Too much dealing with bottom feeders of society tend to give a man that jaundiced view.

It's all each to their own........................but the point that I was making was that we all accept compassion........................it's a question of at what point do stop.

Skyryder

**avgas** · 15th July 2006, 09:36

Originally Posted by sels1

"An eye for an eye and the world goes blind" Gandhi

But first we loose depth perception

**Skyryder** · 15th July 2006, 09:46

Originally Posted by T.W.R

Do you think a murderer has compassion for their victims, or how about a rapist, or peadophile having compassion for their victims? yeah right,not one fuckin ounce of it.
How the fark can you have compassion for something thats lower on the scale of life than pond scum.

95% of the time the perpetrator of the crime has more rights than the victim, and then when the crim is put behind bars its more like a low budget holiday camp than a proper prison & at a ludicrous cost to the taxpayer. Prison should be prison & the time spent should be hard time.

Or the psychological tests & oh they came from a disturbed up bringing, big friggin deal a lot of people have issues like that but it's only a certain type that vent it on innocent people, their bad seeds get rid of them don't friggin namby mamby to the scum.

Punishment should fit the crime, not bloody oh dear you did wrong lets talk about it & we'll help you shit!

We need to take a leaf out of some overseas countries books when it comes to crime & punishment and harden up a bit.

Compassion is that which sets us apart from the 'pond scum.' We may not carry out the acts of these people but without compassion our 'mindset' is no different.

This 95% having more rights than the victim is another misleading myth. It is based on emotian where the victim's rights are seen to be overlooked. This is a subjective issue but I am of the opinion that this belief has been driven by some because the media focues attention on the offender and only comes to the victim if there is a story i.e. some mind of greivance etc. Victim sees t he sentence as inappropiate, offender recieves some kind of compensation etc. That's a very broad example and this subject could a thread in it's own right that may find us agreeing on the broad principle. However when it comes to crime both victim and offender are subject to each of their rights. It's just that as their parts are different a different set of rights come into play.

I agree that when it comes to 'penal' time we do need to harden up. There is a whole industry out there making excuses for much of the dregs of our society. I have seen it in action. But my bottom line on the death penalty is that no state, person has the right to remove the life of another indavidual' as an act of retribution.

Skyryder

**Milky** · 15th July 2006, 17:34

Originally Posted by Jim2

I suppose it doesn't matter if we kill a few innocent people, just so long as we get the bad guys, eh?

Now who models their entire raison de etre for war on that premise? Some bloke from Texas isn't it?

The way things are going it looks like the Israelis have taken it one step further:
I suppose it doesn't matter if we kill the bad guys as long as we get a few innocents, eh?

Originally Posted by Jim2

**some stuff about juries being made up of incompetents who make up their minds based on emotion before the case is heard**

'tis a pity. Generally the people who do posess the requisite qualities are smart enough to write a letter explaining why they can't make jury duty yet again.

Originally Posted by Yungatart

There are a whole host of things that would help - in the long term, however we are an "instant" society and if it requires real change with precious little in the way of results in the short term, people generally just do not want to know.
Bring back a values based education system.
Elevate the heterosexual marriage and family to its rightful place in society.
Parenting classes for all those under, say 25.
"Broken windows" policy on all petty crime.
Give men back their manhood.
Social welfare benefits to be a temporary short term measure.
Make criminals work to benefit society.
Night courts all over NZ to reduce the back log in the justice system - so criminals are more swiftly dealt with.
Throw out PC b/s.. in govt depts and education institutions.

Values based education is so... unspecific... Why not give these young men and women the chance to do what they want rather than learn the ins and outs of geography and shakespeare. Help them to gain useful skills that they can transfer to the workplace when they leave school.
The marriage thing pisses me off. What is the benefit of having a male and a female as a parent? The main reason we do it is tradition, history. As long as the family is functional, loving etc etc then what is the issue? That the kids might grow up with a different perspective on life than others?
Giving men back their manhood? The world is all about change. Get used to it. Modern men are different to what they used to be, just as modern women are. I seem to recall a long discussion on this in another thread, which I won't get into again.

The other points I agree with you on, especially work through the prison system. Not only would it get some useful work done, it will give some useful skills when they get out. Doesn't stop employers looking at ex-prisoners in a very sceptical light, but it is a start.

**Milky** · 15th July 2006, 17:41

As for my view on the death penalty, I am conflicted. I agree with it as an effective solution for making problems go away, but I don't feel comfortable with state sanctioned killing.

Originally Posted by jazbug5

State sanctioned murder does, of course, happen overseas every day (and by that I mean under other guises- 'war' of various sorts), but do we wish to entirely abandon our ideals and with them the (albeit remote) possibility of achieving future civilisation? My idea of civilised government does not include one that murders in a calculated fashion: and making it more 'sanitised' would, in my view, make the whole thing even more abhorrent.

I am on the same wavelength as you here - and not just because you threatened to stab me