Death Penalty...

[Two Smoker]

I suppose it doesn't matter if we kill a few innocent people, just so long as we get the bad guys, eh?

Thats the conflict i have with myself... "What if we kill someone because od a unusual case?"

But then there is the others that dont deserve to live at all...

[avgas]

Add Peter Ellis and David Bain to that...

See thats one thing i dont understand, if i take a gun, shoot people.....then say its not me im fine

[Two Smoker]

So we pay (as tax payers) for the prisons to be built and pay for them to be staffed. So they (as prisoners) pay for there food, clothing etc.
Set prisons up to be more self sufficient and get these barstards working and not laying around all day. Going to prison you sould forfiet your rights and do hard labour to pay for your crime and support the system.

I agree there could be the possibilty of longer sentences, but you have to work while in prison... Make them work of their debt to society rather than paying for them to "think" about their debt to society...

[James Deuce]

Peter Ellis didn't shoot anyone. He's a victim of the myth that all homosexual men are paedophiles.

I've yet to hear a decent explanation of why David Bain was seen delivering newspapers when he was supposed to be shooting his family. The point is never debated, the witness who saw him is dead, and the Police just sneer and curl their lip when it's brought up.

But I guess it's OK if we'd executed him a few years ago, because we would have killed some bad guys in the meantime, even if there was still an element of doubt in the Bain case.

[placidfemme]

But where do we draw the line??? What if the drug manufacturer had an extrememly sick family and was trying to get money fast to make them better/ more comfortable???

So I loose my job, I have no money and Sam and I are starving (and say Sam is sick), does that justify me making P... I think not!

By making the drugs they are handing out death sentances (in way of a life long addiction to certain drugs... creating crime from these new drug users to pay for the drugs, creating the sexual and violent crimes these people do while on the drugs...) To create one evil to lessen another does not deem exemption.

What if someone comes into my home and attacks my partner, and i kill him (because i know i would) does that mean i deserve the death penalty???

Thats self defense. In my books you would walk away scott free. They broke into YOUR home and indangered YOUR family. You have the right to defend what is yours. (But say the guy got scared after you hit him once and ran out the door, and you followed with a shotgun and shot him as he was running away... thats different).

First degree murder, pre-meditated murder, multiple murders should = death.

Involuntary manslaughter (say falling alseep at the wheel and killing someone) should (given the circumstances) = jail time.

*just my opinion anyway*

[Skunk]

Three strikes rule.

1st offence: Normal sentence
2nd offence: 20 years hard labour
3rd offence: Tuff

[Lias]

Many people support the death penalty where there is incontrovertible physical proof of guilt. Personally I say fry em all if a jury finds them guilty beyond reasonable doubt, because I an live with 1 in xx innocents dying, simply because the damage the rest of them would have caused society if they had been roaming the streets outweigh that innocent death.

Think of it as a war on criminals, and in a war, sometimes innocent people die.

[98tls]

So we pay (as tax payers) for the prisons to be built and pay for them to be staffed. So they (as prisoners) pay for there food, clothing etc.
Set prisons up to be more self sufficient and get these barstards working and not laying around all day. Going to prison you sould forfiet your rights and do hard labour to pay for your crime and support the system.

it could be a never ending discussion....we dont have the death penalty because what if we are wrong.....is it any worse to lock someone up forever if there innocent.

[Two Smoker]

Peter Ellis didn't shoot anyone. He's a victim of the myth that all homosexual men are paedophiles.

I've yet to hear a decent explanation of why David Bain was seen delivering newspapers when he was supposed to be shooting his family. The point is never debated, the witness who saw him is dead, and the Police just sneer and curl their lip when it's brought up.

But I guess it's OK if we'd executed him a few years ago, because we would have killed some bad guys in the meantime, even if there was still an element of doubt in the Bain case.

But what if it was proved beyond a doubt that they were the murderers etc...

I agree i dont think either of these people should have been sentenced to death had it been a possibility...

[Skunk]

Thats self defense. In my books you would walk away scott free. They broke into YOUR home and indangered YOUR family.

Didn't work for one guy who was in the Police bad books when he and his partner were attacked in their home. But I don't know the full story.

[The_Dover]

Don't we have roads that need repairing?

That's the sound of the men working on the chain ga-a-ang
That's the sound of the men working on the chain gang

All day long they work so hard
Till the sun is goin' down
Working on the highways and byways
And wearing, wearing a frown
You hear them moanin' their lives away
Then you hear somebody sa-ay

[yungatart]

.....is it any worse to lock someone up forever if there innocent.

At least if you lock them up and then they are proved innocent you can let them out again.... try doing that when they've been fried..

[Skunk]

But what if it was proved beyond a doubt that they were the murderers etc...

I agree i dont think either of these people should have been sentenced to death had it been a possibility...

That's what is supposed to happen anyway.

[James Deuce]

On another point, I've done some jury duty. I wouldn't trust those fuckers to deliberate about who stole the chocolate bisuits during the judge's morning tea break, let alone work through the complexities of a murder trial with a death sentence at stake.

Juries tend to make up their minds about guilt on emotional issues early in the case, and then start writing the memoirs when they are supposed to be reviewing evidence as both cases are put to them. Sod all people I know have the attention span, or even enough character to understand the difference between morals, ethics, common law, and statutes.

No sir, I wouldn't want those fuckers deciding if I was guilty or not.

[yungatart]

You are not supposed to be found guilty if there is reasonable doubt!!