Death Penalty...

[scumdog]

or planned by someone who thinks they aren't going to get caught.

It's at that point most screw-up, they don't 'think', THEY feel they DID but duh! BAD LUCK.

[Swoop]

Like that wierdo from the RSA robbery/murders, who want's to pay to keep that waste of oxygen alive for 20 odd years???

Shoot him.

And any others caught in that manner - when there's NO doubt they did it, BANG!! end of story, cheap as chips too.

There could be a raffle for who gets to pull the trigger. Generate some funds for the victims and their families.

[muzz]

Cant blame the inmates in jail for not working..there would be plenty that would love to but hey its not like they can walk out everytime they see a job advertised in the paper eh...the government needs to get off its arse and do something about making the facilities avaliable for them to work..i agree theres plenty for them to do but unless the government and the prison system come to the party theres fuck all the inmates can do.

Agreed. So privatetise the prison system and they will have to work to sustain it or go hungry and cold. Save the tax payers money for better things.

[SPORK]

The government should never have the right to take a citizen's life. How do you know that they really deserved to die?

[SPman]

I agree with retributive justice, by those involved, where there is no question of guilt and no state involved. There are some sick fucks out there who need removing!
Other than that, with hundreds of years of evidence to draw on from around the world, the death penalty is anathema, based loosely on ritual human sacrifice by obscene means, which demeans all involved in it and has no place in a civilised society.
The hangmen of the UK, Australia and NZ said they were very pleased it was abolished - for good reason. It didnt deter crime, they knew innocent people were being executed and it was nearly always those from a lower strata of society who were being executed.

[placidfemme]

Agreed. So privatetise the prison system and they will have to work to sustain it or go hungry and cold. Save the tax payers money for better things.

What kind of work can they do?

I think the working idea is also a good one, but that also increases the risk of more violence, by working they need tools (spades, hammers, blades, welding irons... whatever). Sure they may not be able to hurt civilians but they could hurt another inmate (say a murderer kills someone who was convicted on drink driving... or some lesser crime for something trivial like a pride issue... your a homo.... your mama's a slut... or an oposing gang member e.t.c). Also opens possibliltys of the crims working outside of the prison (like the roads), they may try to escape... which if the guards are armed (and so they should be) they'd get shot anyway

[98tls]

Agreed. So privatetise the prison system and they will have to work to sustain it or go hungry and cold. Save the tax payers money for better things.

Not sure on that....maybe if its done right the taxpayer can benefit,no point in farming it out to some overseas based security company who then turn it all around and make millons out of it.prisons in this country have only gone backwards in self sufficency for years...many used to have huge gardens etc where they were able to grow there own veges etc as well as giving many inmates something productive to do..in most cases thats all gone now..i do remember seeing something on TV awhile back about a big dairy farm in the north island run by inmates that sounded promising..also in a bike mag awhile ago i see in an Auckland prison they were restoring old british bikes and doing a damn fine job by the look of the photos.

[scumdog]

The government should never have the right to take a citizen's life. How do you know that they really deserved to die?

And those citizens that don't want somebody put to death after they have been so sentenced by the government should be prepared to dip into there own pockets to keep said oxygen robbers alive until their natural death.

Anybody prepared to keep the likes of Bell alive until then - paying out of their own pocket??

[scumdog]

What kind of work can they do?

I think the working idea is also a good one, but that also increases the risk of more violence, by working they need tools (spades, hammers, blades, welding irons... whatever). Sure they may not be able to hurt civilians but they could hurt another inmate (say a murderer kills someone who was convicted on drink driving... or some lesser crime for something trivial like a pride issue... your a homo.... your mama's a slut... or an oposing gang member e.t.c).

It happens in NZ prisons already....

[placidfemme]

And those citizens that don't want somebody put to death after they have been so sentenced by the government should be prepared to dip into there own pockets to keep said oxygen robbers alive until their natural death.

Anybody prepared to keep the likes of Bell alive until then - paying out of their own pocket??

I like that idea... wanna keep them alive... then you pay for them.... fair enough.

[placidfemme]

It happens in NZ prisons already....

What the murders or the working?

[scumdog]

What the murders or the working?

Both
And the beatings.

(by other inmates)

[sAsLEX]

What if someone comes into my home and attacks my partner, and i kill him (because i know i would) does that mean i deserve the death penalty???

Self Defence or justifiable homicde, things like the situation you explain are covered in law are they not?

[yungatart]

Anybody prepared to keep the likes of Bell alive until then - paying out of their own pocket??

And those in favour of the death penalty will pay for the myriad of appeals etc out of their own pockets....

[Beemer]

does the name Arthur Allan Thomas ring a bell ?F/F

That's what would worry me, who had the better lawyer or the better story. I always used to think that people were found guilty because of overwhelming proof but that's not always the case. Look at David Doherty - and a guy I went to school with who served a few years for rape, all the while protesting his innocence, until the girl he'd allegedly raped admitted he hadn't touched her. Sure, the last two wouldn't have received the death penalty, but I do have my doubts that EVERY person convicted of a crime is guilty.

On the one hand I wish they would kill the likes of the guy who ran over that jogger in Hawke's Bay, then took her back to his place, raped and sodomised her (while she was in agony from a broken pelvis, among other injuries) and then smashed her to death with a concrete block. Likewise the killer of Mona Morris and other defenceless old people. But I still have a terrible fear that in some cases they WILL get the wrong person and no matter how many times they protest their innocence, they will be put to death.

If someone I loved had been deliberately killed by another person then I would be the first baying for their blood - so I don't know what the answer is. Perhaps to have a higher level of proof required to sentence someone to death? Perhaps if there is ANY doubt by anyone involved in the case/jury, then life imprisonment until they can conclusively prove they did it. But the first step should be making life mean life. You can kill someone at 18, serve 10-20 years in jail and get out with a pretty long life still ahead of you.

While I don't want us to go the way of other countries where you can have your hand chopped off for stealing (but hey, if they steal from me, I'd be keen!), I do think it is time to make people realise that murder is the most serious offence there is and people who commit murder should be made to pay. At present, you'd be more likely to serve a long jail sentence for tax evasion than killing someone.