Death Penalty...

[The_Dover]

OR...........

We could just send them to Australia.

[Two Smoker]

Ok, so if we stem the problem at a young age... Capital punishment, values, and some sort of military education (to instill a sense of pride)... But we need to get back to basics too... How many of these problems would have been solved by doing good subjects like brick laying, building etc in school???

[Lou Girardin]

I don't think I'd volunteer to be an executioner though. It didn't seem to make the Pierreponts a very happy family. Most succumbed to madness and/or alcoholism.

[98tls]

Ok, so if we stem the problem at a young age... Capital punishment, values, and some sort of military education (to instill a sense of pride)... But we need to get back to basics too... How many of these problems would have been solved by doing good subjects like brick laying, building etc in school???

how about just being allowed to give them a kick up the arse like the old days....i went to boarding school at 8 years old and nothing put me back on track when i fucked up better than 3-4 whacks around the arse with a cane...these days you would lose your job i guess ridiculous....

[The_Dover]

i went to boarding school at 8 years old and nothing put me back on track when i fucked up better than 3-4 whacks around the arse with a cane...

Yeah, but look at the sexual kinks that has left you with.

And a fondness for naked V-Twins....

[98tls]

Yeah, but look at the sexual kinks that has left you with.

And a fondness for naked V-Twins....

About the only thing i do see naked these days

[Paul in NZ]

Why not ?

Because I can't recalibrate my damn time machine properly

[Paul in NZ]

Well a lot of this seems to come down to a question of are we or are we not civilised?

Is it un civilised of us to execute a persistent criminal of the most vile kind? (please - no more Peter Ellis / Arthur Allan Thomas stuff - I made the distinction that the final solution is only in black and white cases)

Yet how civilised is it to allow these people to keep offending after they 'paid their debt'? I suppose the subsequent victims would not feel it a good thing or overly civil?

I'm genuinely confused by all of this quite frankly...

Paul N

[98tls]

simple really...cut there fucken heads off.

[The_Dover]

YOU CAN DO IT!!

Cut eez fricken head off!!

[Lou Girardin]

no more Peter Ellis / Arthur Allan Thomas stuff - I made the distinction that the final solution is only in black and white cases)

But everyone thought the Thomas case WAS black and white. It took one of those low-life journalist types to get him freed.

[Macktheknife]

But everyone thought the Thomas case WAS black and white. It took one of those low-life journalist types to get him freed.

I don't know which everyone you refer to there Lou, but I know quite a few people who never believed he was guilty.
The point Paul made though was for those repeat offenders, clearly indicating their guilt through their plea of guilty. Hardly the same thing as Thomas or Bain or others.

[Oakie]

how about just being allowed to give them a kick up the arse like the old days....i went to boarding school at 8 years old and nothing put me back on track when i fucked up better than 3-4 whacks around the arse with a cane...these days you would lose your job i guess ridiculous....

Ahh, the cane. Such fond memories. Were you at Waitaki Boys or St Kevins? I was a Waitakian 1974 / 77

EDIT : Just realised you said "at 8 years old" ... probably wasn't even in Oamaru in that case. I'll go back to sleep now

[Macktheknife]

Well a lot of this seems to come down to a question of are we or are we not civilised?

Is it un civilised of us to execute a persistent criminal of the most vile kind? (please - no more Peter Ellis / Arthur Allan Thomas stuff - I made the distinction that the final solution is only in black and white cases)

Yet how civilised is it to allow these people to keep offending after they 'paid their debt'? I suppose the subsequent victims would not feel it a good thing or overly civil?

I'm genuinely confused by all of this quite frankly...

Paul N

I personally think that a society that prefers to think of itself as 'civilised' should be concerned with the greatest impact on the society as a whole. Does killing a self confessed and mulitple-evidenced rapist/paedophile/murderer make us less civilised or just smart enough to realise that some people cannot/will not adapt to our societal structures and requirements.

Think about it, in any other group of people/club/organisation you are required to learn the rules and obey them, failure to do so means there will be consequences. Those can include some form of discipline and ulitimately if you still do not follow the rules you will be evicted from the group.

Somewhere along the way we as a society have forgotten that we DO have the right to kick people out of our group, in this case permanently. Deportation is not realistic, who would want them? Locking them up for our protection is expensive and some idiot is liable to let them out again. If there were a very distant island with no possibility of escape then that would do nicely, anyone know of such a place?
We as a society need to wake up to our responsibility to the rest of us who do not commit these heinous and violent crimes, once crims show they are clearly not going to comply with the simple limit of NOT raping/ killing/ beating the crap out of people repeatedly; kill them. End of story. Waste no further effort, time or resources on them.
The rest of society is better off for the lack of them in it.

[98tls]

Ahh, the cane. Such fond memories. Were you at Waitaki Boys or St Kevins? I was a Waitakian 1974 / 77

EDIT : Just realised you said "at 8 years old" ... probably wasn't even in Oamaru in that case. I'll go back to sleep now

it was Medbury mate.......originally from ch-ch.