Random act of violence

**Paul in NZ** · 18th July 2006, 14:42

What you do have to bear in mind though is that it is not always racist to speak the truth.

http://www.stuff.co.nz/stuff/0,2106,3735071a11,00.html

Sometimes being PC and culturally 'sensitive' has exactly the wrong effect. If a problem exists it exists and no amount of fudging the words can make it go away.

We have to keep an open mind and let the facts speak.

Paul N

**The_Dover** · 18th July 2006, 14:49

Originally Posted by Paul in NZ

What you do have to bear in mind though is that it is not always racist to speak the truth.

http://www.stuff.co.nz/stuff/0,2106,3735071a11,00.html

Sometimes being PC and culturally 'sensitive' has exactly the wrong effect. If a problem exists it exists and no amount of fudging the words can make it go away.

We have to keep an open mind and let the facts speak.

Paul N

Ain't that the fuckin truth.

**Finn** · 18th July 2006, 15:23

Originally Posted by Paul in NZ

What you do have to bear in mind though is that it is not always racist to speak the truth.

http://www.stuff.co.nz/stuff/0,2106,3735071a11,00.html

Sometimes being PC and culturally 'sensitive' has exactly the wrong effect. If a problem exists it exists and no amount of fudging the words can make it go away.

We have to keep an open mind and let the facts speak.

Paul N

40% of "reported" child abuse is caused by a group of people that represent less than 15% of NZ's population. And that 40% is just the ones that we know of.

Shit, no wonder they're miserable fuckers. Clearly there's only one thing that will stop this. They need special treatment and above all, they need more money.

**Maha** · 18th July 2006, 15:30

Thank God.....sorry, i mean thank someone, thats all over between Zed v Str8 amen

Just pays to not to speak to drunk islanders or anyone for that matter when the anger is on aye metric?

Early 80's in Hamilton (think the club was Lady H ?) saw a bloke smacking a female down an ally as we walked past, i yelled to my mate, cos he was bigger than me, and told him, he came back, but as i turned around i met this size 9 fist, right on the beak, spoke funny for a while but the fight that started between my mate and that prick was entertaining....

**Paul in NZ** · 18th July 2006, 15:48

Originally Posted by maha man

Thank God.....sorry, i mean thank someone, thats all over between Zed v Str8 amen

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yeah - I just can't figure out how street violence errupts either...

**Colapop** · 18th July 2006, 15:57

Street violence is all relative - and usually caused them too (relatives). The only time I've ever had serious concerns for my safety is when my cousin (who's my size - for those of you that know me) and a part islander decided he wanted to play bait the tranny's on Vivian street (back in the '80's too). Fark me (no thanks) they appeared from nowhere and there were about 10 of them and all big f*ckers. Only time I've had to run for it!

You can't trust anyone these days whether you can see thenm coming or not. They know they're not going to get anything more than a smack on the wrist with a wet bit of toast so they just run wild.

**metric** · 18th July 2006, 16:13

Originally Posted by Zed

I don't think you do see the problem...

There is little difference between the raving nazi skinhead, the violent brother, and the one inciting racism from behind his computer. All of you have a deeply rooted hatred towards your fellow man, which is a major reason for many of this nations social problems.

Btw, I had to smile, I got green blinged by two different members for my earlier comments directed at you.

hi Zed

pray tell, what is the problem then

why the deep rooted hatred?

**Zed** · 18th July 2006, 16:31

Originally Posted by metric

hi Zed

pray tell, what is the problem then

why the deep rooted hatred?

It's a heart issue in the individual, coupled by the fact that all human beings have a nature within them to do wrong. Some people endeavour to better themselves throughout this life while others do not, and it's these ones who usually get into the most trouble, hatred in their heart being a driving force behind their crimes against humanity.

I believe there is only one sure way of becoming a better person in this life and having victory over our nature to sin, and that is by receiving a *new* nature through Jesus Christ. I'd better finish there...

**Colapop** · 18th July 2006, 17:09

Originally Posted by Zed

It's a heart issue in the individual, coupled by the fact that all human beings have a nature within them to do wrong. Some people endeavour to better themselves throughout this life while others do not, and it's these ones who usually get into the most trouble, hatred in their heart being a driving force behind their crimes against humanity.

I believe there is only one sure way of becoming a better person in this life and having victory over our nature to sin, and that is by receiving a *new* nature through Jesus Christ. I'd better finish there...

Crimes against humanity??!!?? This is not f*cking Edi Amen here - it's street crime. Yeak it's bad and yeah it shouldn't happen but come on, "all human beings born to be bad"(abridged)??
What you're saying is if everyone were christian then none of this would have happened? Most of those kids doing that sort of shit will be sitting in church on a Sunday morning atoning for all the bad shit they've done in the previous 6 days!

**Zed** · 18th July 2006, 17:18

Originally Posted by Colapop

Crimes against humanity??!!?? This is not f*cking Edi Amen here - it's street crime.

Within the context of my comment I was generalising about all men. However, even in this instance the crime was against another human being wasn't it?

Originally Posted by Colapop

What you're saying is if everyone were christian then none of this would have happened?

Nope, I didn't say that. If I had commented further I would have said that a Christian actually has two natures, the old and the new, and has the ability to walk in either...

**Colapop** · 18th July 2006, 17:18

Originally Posted by justsomeguy

Zed's talking about the issues in general - and saying what "he" believes in. He has his own way of life and doesn't go around asking or forcing others to adapt to it.

Sure generalising but it's a stretch to sew the two issues together. Metric was assaulted unjustly and yet Zed's on about crimes against humanity - I know Metric is human but it's a crime against a person not the rest of us.

**andrea** · 18th July 2006, 17:47

Originally Posted by Lias

Just as a sidenote, a good chunk of the maoris I work with hate PI's. Its like I said, everyones a bit racist too some degree.. The maoris hate all the PI's, the samoans hate the tongans who hate the cook islanders who hate the fijians etc etc..Anyone else remember the samoan vs tongan machete wars insouth auckland years ago? Or the Samoan somali fights of more modern days? Arabs hate israelis, indians hate pakistanis, chinese hate japanese and so on and so on.. All stereotypes and there are always exceptions, but its the way the world goes around.

Yes some islanders are fine people, yes some non islanders are violent wankers, but on the whole there seems to be a disturbing trend for young male islanders living in NZ to be violent wankers, in far greater numbers than their demographic should represent, and thats why the stereotype is that all PI's are trouble causing violent wanks. I'd say send all the PI's home, but that would deprive me of the comic genius that is the naked samoans (esp Oscar and David).. Woe is me!

And on that note "I'm going to the pub.. I may be some time!"(done in best brotown accent)

yeah i remember that incident with the machete it happened in otara mall, some samoan guy chopped off the tongan guys head, my friend says that that guy is now a priest back in the islands, there's always been alot of tension between them. funny that you say that maori's hate the pi's cause my brother is married to a very nice maori lady and they have 3 beautiful kids.
and yes i agree everyone is a lil racist to some degree but probably because they have had some sort of bad experience during their life, hmm i have especially with my own kind too.

**scumdog** · 18th July 2006, 18:26

Originally Posted by vtec

That was an idea that I chucked together in 30 seconds. What I was looking for was for some others to come up with ideas. The scale and details of which aren't always immediately perfect. You're showing as much initiative and determination as current police management.

My point was, that although I know the force in auckland currently isn't capable of it, but rather the benefits of such a programme would be huge.

Please, show some inititative and drive, and come up with your own plans too and pitch them to your bosses. Cause currently (at least the last few years) police management seems interested in only high profile crime that will get them "big ups" from the media, and issuing speeding tickets.

Easy big boy, just stating the facts!! (or flaws)

PC and Bill of Rights kills a shitload of cunning initiatives, always welcome ideas and hints of course!!

(I've shown 'initiave' that to me seemd logical - but bosses went "Hmmm, we could get into a lot of bother if you did that" - W.T.F.!!

**metric** · 18th July 2006, 18:27

I guess it's being able to look beyond those random negative experiences and try and understand things from a "bigger picture" perspective

all racism does is reinforce negative stereotypes