Tool and Carl Jung Philosophy

**R6_kid:Me** · 17th July 2006, 20:47

Alright, for those of us familiar with the band 'Tool' there is a saying that there that goes 'there are tool fans and then there are "tool fans"...'

I have always known that there was something behind the music of tool, and knew that there was a philosophy behind it.

Last night i was listing to a random selection of their songs a mate had given me and decided to google the word 'aenema' knowing that enema was 'the enemy' and an enima was a nasty way of cleaning your insides.

Anyway to get to the point i discovered that the album Aenema is largely based around the works of Carl Jung, more comonly known as Jungist Philosophy.

Has anyone on here read any of his work, basically looking for some good titles to read as i found what i read about him quite interesting.

**limbimtimwim** · 17th July 2006, 21:11

Man. You've been had. One word: lacromology .

**James Deuce** · 17th July 2006, 21:12

http://www.bestwebbuys.com/Carl_Gust...b-authorsearch

Man & His Symbols is my favourite, but you'll need to read it with Fontana's Dictionary of Modern Thought next to you so you can get with the flow of Jungian ontology.

You've also got to get your enema's sorted out buddy, or you next trip to hospital might be a bit frightening.

http://dictionary.reference.com/browse/enema

No such word: http://dictionary.reference.com/browse/enima

http://dictionary.reference.com/browse/anima

http://dictionary.reference.com/search?r=2&q=anemia

**James Deuce** · 17th July 2006, 21:13

Originally Posted by limbimtimwim

Man. You've been had. One word: lacromology .

You could at least spell it right, or you're just teasing man.

Lachrymology

**Brett** · 17th July 2006, 21:13

Tool are my favourite band, i am really quite interested in finding out what is behind there music, it doesn;t seem to be any one philosphy i dont think.

**Kornholio** · 17th July 2006, 21:18

Originally Posted by Brett

Tool are my favourite band, .

Thats a big FUCKIN A....Im not really interested what meanings there are to their lyrics, their music is just awesome and Maynards vocals yeeha

Just waiting for a tour date to NZ.... i know they wanna come back

**limbimtimwim** · 17th July 2006, 21:21

Originally Posted by Jim2

You could at least spell it right, or you're just teasing man.

Lachrymology

Oh yes, that is a better spelling. http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Lachrymology

Still love their stuff. Have all their CDs.

Gareth, have you ever been to one of their concerts? I've been to.. 3 . In the last two they played a trick on the crowd (You'd think they'd learn..).

Maynard says "Repeat after me!!" and the crowd does. Hey lookie, I googled and he has done it many times.

"Repeat after me: Question authority. (Crowd: QUESTION AUTHORITY!!!) Strive to be different (Crowd: STRIVE TO BE DIFFERNENT!!") Strive to be unique. (..) Never repeat what other people say,"

From: http://toolshed.down.net/articles/in...ids_Press.html

It's quite funny to watch.

They just like mucking with your head. Don't take Tool too seriously.

**Mental Trousers** · 17th July 2006, 21:26

nm, limbimtimwim said it

**Kornholio** · 17th July 2006, 21:28

Hehe yeah Ive been to all 3 of their NZ concerts...what about those naked people hanging above the stage doing freaky shit at their 2nd concert...or was it the 3rd...hmm :O

**Drunken Monkey** · 17th July 2006, 23:06

The third. The second one was all that glowing paint, iirc.

**R6_kid:Me** · 17th July 2006, 23:09

whether or not the band actually believes and or follows the beliefs of Carl Jung is not what i am interested in, the only reason that tool is relevant is because it is their music that lead me to it.

after listening to a couple of the songs from aenema there are some links to the stuff that carl jung experienced, especially in the song aenema. For instance it was said that jung had a 'mental breakdown' over a period of 6 years in which time he invisaged great floods washing over europe, and prophecised about the end of the world and also events that happened in WWII.

Thanks jim2 for the links to the literature regarding jung.

As for tool, the drummer was voted best percussionist (sp) im pretty sure for last 7 or so years in a row. The music they make is awesome. I can either listen to it on my bike when im having a cain, or get on the piss (or other substance) and chill out to it which i really like.

**Magua** · 17th July 2006, 23:11

Originally Posted by limbimtimwim

Don't take Tool too seriously.

I've been a fan for sometime, some people just interpret the lyrics too far.
Do a quick search for lateralus or aenima on songmeanings.net and you'll see what I mean.

**James Deuce** · 17th July 2006, 23:17

Stop diverting gareth from his search you buggers. Some of you fellas never move on from bikes, piss, and chicks, and it's nice to see someone extending themself.

Jung was one of Freud's students, and it is interesting to see how Jungian psychology diverges from Freudian. Make sure you compare other schools of psychology and don't treat Psych as a religion and you'll be fine.

Don't use it as a conversational gambit. Most people roll their eyes the moment you start rabbiting on about ego, id, and anima. It's quite a good way of compartmentalising the gross (not horrid or ugly - the larger generalised bits) aspects of standard human behaviour, and is useful where Freud would just blame his mum and then have a dream about some breasts.

**limbimtimwim** · 18th July 2006, 07:38

Originally Posted by Jim2

blame his mum and then have a dream about some breasts.

That happened on 'Malcolm in the middle'.

Different sort of psychology, but I always thought that Zimbardo fella was a bit of fun. People just playing out their roles in life, leading to horrible consequences.