The Christian Smacking Manual!!

[Ozzie]

When I was a kid.....

Yeh, sounds like some really old bugger, but at 34 I consider myself not to be.

So, when I was a kid, there was not even half the shit there is now. Corporal punishment was not only legal, but part of everyday life. What did that do, according to the goddy goodies, corrupted everyone and turned them into child bashers, I'd argue that.

I got the cain twice, and to be honest, deserved it. In no uncertain terms, it taught me, if i'm a prat, there are consequences. It taught me respect for the rules, and, to a degree, discipline.

So now, we've outlawed the cain, your frowned apon for smacking, and kids are growing up with nothing but contempt.

I agree, positive reinforcement is a good parenting tactic, and those kids that grow up like that, know the bounderies, have respect, and don't generally cause too much shit (beyond the odd mistake and learning experience), but face it, not everyone has a grip on that, just the same as not everyone who smacks beats the piss out of the kids.

As I said before, it has gone too PC, and by doing that, we are F*cking it all up, and actually achieving the exact opposite of what the aim was. Kids are growing up with complete contempt for others, their parents, the law.

There is another thread on here at the mo, from placidfemme if memorey serves me correct, about how a sibling of her x got run over and killed, by a mate, because he didn't let him use a phone.

Everyone asks why, I think the answer is obvious, everyone tries too hard to protect the rights of kids, thieves, murderers and other crims, and not enough to society, and the law abiding respectful people in it! It is a vicious circle, and it is only going to get worse.

[ogr1]

All those who smack their kids say "Yes".
All those who would belt a relative or a stranger for smacking YOUR kids say "Yes".
No difference, it's still inflicting pain, but you would probably go berserk if someone else slapped your kid(s).
It's a pathetic excuse to dominate your children through a lack of understanding and communication.
Remember when you got a slap from yer old man? Scary was'nt it! How can my Mum/Dad the people I trust and Love, cause me physical pain.

If you said yes to both? then your a hypocrite! Point is: No one has the right to smack any kids....Period.
Resort to violence with your kids, then you have failed miserably, earned no respect and just put fear into their tiny minds.

Besides......They will be bigger and stronger than you one day and then you'll be sorry!

[Ozzie]

No one has the right to smack any kids....Period.
Resort to violence with your kids, then you have failed miserably, earned no respect and just put fear into their tiny minds..........

Spoken like a single person with no kids!

Yeh, my old man hit me, once, for bein a wanker, endangering myself and my younger brother. My mum hit me once too, for being disrespectful (and she thought my block was headed to her as a hit). I have three kids, that know the rules, respect them, respect me and other adults, not only that, but other people.

There is an absolute difference between discipline, ie. "a smack" and abuse.

So what would you do? Shout the F'n house down, leave the kid thinking they're a worthless piece of shit?

My point is, a "smack" has it's place, as does positive re-enforcement, positive parenting. Child abuse has no place, whether at my hand or yours, neither does spousal abuse. Problem is, too many can't tell the freekin difference, and are either pussies and let the kids walk all over them, shout the roof off (but i didn't smack them! ), or beat the liven piss out of them.

In my book, none of that is condonable!

[ogr1]

Utter bollox......... and yes I have kid(s).
I'm also man enough not to slap any kids.
Thanx for the It's nice to know that your Country has Numpties also.
Kinda makes me feel at home

[Ozzie]

Utter bollox......... and yes I have kid(s).
I'm also man enough not to slap any kids.
Thanx for the It's nice to know that your Country has Numpties also.
Kinda makes me feel at home

has what? What is Numpties?

Good luck to you, point is, not eveyone is as godly as you. People have many methods, not all are abusers, and, not all are as perfect as you. Be interesting to speak with your "kid(s)" to see how perfect you are.

Society has got out of hand, and the major reason is judgemental pratts that have nothing better to do than poke holes in eveyone else.

As I say, good luck to you......

[ogr1]

I'm not Godly & not perfect by any stretch of the imagination.
I just don't smack my kids, that's what this topic is about.
I agree with you 100% regarding "society being out of hand", of which I will try and protect my kid(s) from, but there is enough shit in this world without inflicting physical abuse on your own blood. Judgemental on others? maybe to a certain degree, but remember, slap your kids and you make up part of that "society breakdown".

Numptie: A derogatory term for someone who's a bit short on the old common sense, but you started it.

Thanx for the red rep whoever you are? Nice to add in your remark "Small minded, but your entltled to your opinion, so here's mine".

That about sums it up! Go take it out on someone who fights back, if your man enough?

[Colapop]

Quite a lot of people still smack their kids over here and know the difference beween smacking and abuse. Yeah it would be great to never yell or smack or do anything that's negative with your kids but life aint like that. You'd have to be pretty damn saintly to be able to judge others.

[scumdog]

All those who smack their kids say "Yes".
All those who would belt a relative or a stranger for smacking YOUR kids say "Yes".
No difference, it's still inflicting pain, but you would probably go berserk if someone else slapped your kid(s).
It's a pathetic excuse to dominate your children through a lack of understanding and communication.
Remember when you got a slap from yer old man? Scary was'nt it! How can my Mum/Dad the people I trust and Love, cause me physical pain.

If you said yes to both? then your a hypocrite! Point is: No one has the right to smack any kids....Period.
Resort to violence with your kids, then you have failed miserably, earned no respect and just put fear into their tiny minds.

Besides......They will be bigger and stronger than you one day and then you'll be sorry!

Rad back on my post on the topic.
Yes, smacked my kids until they no longer behaved in a way that needed it and I could reason with them (about 4 years old or less)
Yeah, if I saw somebody smack my kid and they deserved it I'd not bat an eye.

My kids have a good relationship with me and now they're bigger I asked them about the smacking part of their upbringing and they commented that now they hardly remember it.

And thanks for telling me how to bring up my own kids, I'm sure they would have done better if I had followed that line of thought.

Note to self: Ask varsity boy and uber-geek if they reckon they could be better off if I had treated them differently.

[Hitcher]

I may be a "liberal one-percenter" but I didn't escape corporal punishment as a son or as a student.

My folks are great people and I don't love them any less for the paddlings I received. In fact I wonder how my Mum coped at times with a smart-arse son who tested the boundaries of authority in his own special way. As I got older, her arm weakened and it was Dad's job to mete out the sentence. "Mr Jam Spoon" was occasionally invited to the dinner table, but none of us was ever subject to his ministrations.

The only hiding I ever resented was at primary school when I was strapped for an offence I was not guilty of. On the hands. Six on each. Shit it hurt.

At high school, caning was largely a game. Teachers who caned well gained respect. Those who didn't probably caned their way to psychotherapy. Our class in the third form had one guy, let's call him "Brent" (cause it was his name) who was our designated mine canary. New teacher? Brent would be pinged for some offense that required application of the cane. "Pah! He was weaker than cold piss!" would generally result in all of the boys in the class lining up for cuts.

Our class had the same science teacher for forms three through five. One fifth-form day, after successfully calibrating the depth of a drain with test-tubes, the boys in the back row got to talking. "Has anybody here been caned by Onions?" There was a pause. Nobody had been. Hmmmm. "Does anybody know of anybody who has been caned by Onions?" Again nobody could remember. Obviously this dearth of knowledge required immediate resolution.

It was time to call Brent to action. A bit of teepol was squirted onto a gas tap and the tap turned on sufficiently to make an appropriate stack of foam. A match was then tossed nonchalently at the small mountain, instantly liberating its stored energy. Girls shrieked. It was marvellous. Brent had his hand in the air virtually simultaneously with Onions' enquiry as to the perpetrator and was summarily despatched to the staff room.

A few moments later Brent returned, looking somber and a strange shade of green. "How many did you get?" "Two," he replied. "Whooo, fuck!"

That was the last day of extracurricular amusement in the back row of fifth form science.

[Colapop]

Just a little addition to the subject of caning... I 'attended' sometimes regularly Wairoa College and we had a tacher by the name of Rangi Paku. No-one ever got the cane from him, until Jack Hautapa. Rangi had a habit of throwing the duster at people to get their attention. This particular day he trew it at Jack, and missed, but it got his attention so he turned back to the board. Jack picked up the duster and it hit Rangi square on the back of the head. Now this fella Jack was as big as Rangi and probably as strong too. Fark everything went silent... Rangi says "Corridor...., now" and grabs his cane - a sawn off bamboo golf club with rubber hand grip still attached. We listened and there were 4 real loud cracks. Jack comes back in and sits down real quiet ... and the lesson contiues. After class we all, of course, had to find out - just how good is he. That was the first and only time I've ever seen anyone have blood drawn. It was Mr Paku forever after that.

[ogr1]

Rad back on my post on the topic.
Yes, smacked my kids until they no longer behaved in a way that needed it and I could reason with them (about 4 years old or less)
Yeah, if I saw somebody smack my kid and they deserved it I'd not bat an eye.

My kids have a good relationship with me and now they're bigger I asked them about the smacking part of their upbringing and they commented that now they hardly remember it.

And thanks for telling me how to bring up my own kids, I'm sure they would have done better if I had followed that line of thought.

Note to self: Ask varsity boy and uber-geek if they reckon they could be better off if I had treated them differently.

Note to self: Don't try and engage reason with the locals, they post out a topic on the WWW, but get a tad tetchy when you put in your two penny worth.
Maybe that's the reason why society sucks "part time parents"?

[Ozzie]

.Maybe that's the reason why society sucks "part time parents"?

I will take the plung here, and risk it all, by saying, fuck you you small minded git!

Again, we aren't all perfect like you your worship, single parents, part time parents, I guarantee you, I make a way better parent than most of the full time parents. And what difference does it make to my ability that their mother is a useless cum rag?

[ogr1]

Hang on a feckin mo.....................
I'm not aware of your personal circumstances, you chose to reply to my post
and be abusive into the bargain, I may have got up your nose and a few others, but what the fuck do you expect when your practically boasting about slapping your kids.

Did you really think that you would not get an oppositional arguement from
another parent? Who's small minded now?

[scumdog]

Note to self: Don't try and engage reason with the locals, they post out a topic on the WWW, but get a tad tetchy when you put in your two penny worth.
Maybe that's the reason why society sucks "part time parents"?

Yeah well us antipodean neandrethals have some quaint ideas on parenting and at times they even work (like mine).
Each to their own - but don't preach.

And who,pray, was getting 'tetchy'?

[ogr1]

Yeah well us antipodean neandrethals have some quaint ideas on parenting and at times they even work (like mine).
Each to their own - but don't preach.

And who,pray, was getting 'tetchy'?

Errrrrrrrrrrrrm..................You?