Mapp 90 Day Bill

**chanceyy** · 21st July 2006, 20:13

Originally Posted by Hitcher

The Trade Union Movement has spoken. Any discussion of this topic is pointless. Despite the fact that it hasn't even got to Select Committee stage yet.

& we hope it does not get to Select Committee

**ajturbo** · 21st July 2006, 20:15

i think the 90 day bill is a good idea...
but in my line of work you would know if they are any good within the first day or so, then i can sack them.

but i would feel better if i could do that with no come back..
don't get me wrong, if the worker could prove him/herself, i used to hang on to them and pay them top dollar

**Colapop** · 21st July 2006, 20:17

That's true about exploiting workers but the point is that the businesses that are exploiting staff now are only going to continue what they're doing so no-one saves any poor waifs from the poorhouse. Let's face it if you don't where you work enough you'll get off your arse and go get a job somewhere else. Don't give me the line that "Some people can't because of where they live" That is shit too. If you want to work ie. get a job you'll get off your arse and get one. Too often these days there are employees that are being carried along because employers have no recourse once they are hired.

For the record National isn't any more right wing than Labour is Left. Most political parties trot along a safe middle ground so they don't piss anyone off.

**chanceyy** · 21st July 2006, 20:17

Originally Posted by ajturbo

i think the 90 day bill is a good idea...
but in my line of work you would know if they are any good within the first day or so, then i can sack them.

but i would feel better if i could do that with no come back..
don't get me wrong, if the worker could prove him/herself, i used to hang on to them and pay them top dollar

but there is a number of employers who would have no trouble exploiting this loophole.

**acewheelie** · 21st July 2006, 20:18

Originally Posted by ajturbo

i think the 90 day bill is a good idea...
but in my line of work you would know if they are any good within the first day or so, then i can sack them.

but i would feel better if i could do that with no come back..
don't get me wrong, if the worker could prove him/herself, i used to hang on to them and pay them top dollar

with the brain drain we have seen in our industry (industrial machinery), we are forced more and more at foreign labour. Its a real risk because overseas training and work ethics haven't been the same as here. It is hard to get rid of bad workers. Therefore we only hire when we really have to and run very, very lean. If we could fire some of our bad workers and hire some good ones we would be better off, not having to rely on overtime by the good ones to take up the slack. It really pisses me off.

**chanceyy** · 21st July 2006, 20:18

Originally Posted by Colapop

For the record National isn't any more right wing than Labour is Left. Most political parties trot along a safe middle ground so they don't piss anyone off.

MMP in action

**Colapop** · 21st July 2006, 20:19

Originally Posted by ajturbo

i think the 90 day bill is a good idea...
but in my line of work you would know if they are any good within the first day or so, then i can sack them.

but i would feel better if i could do that with no come back..
don't get me wrong, if the worker could prove him/herself, i used to hang on to them and pay them top dollar

You can't though. Once you have hired some useless bugger they're protected - by law, by the unions and by you as an employer (because by law you have to) Then you are stuck with them. You cannot even tell someone at the interview you won't hire and why (coz they're useless) "because they have rights" Cry me a river!!

**acewheelie** · 21st July 2006, 20:20

Originally Posted by Colapop

That's true about exploiting workers but the point is that the businesses that are exploiting staff now are only going to continue what they're doing so no-one saves any poor waifs from the poorhouse. Let's face it if you don't where you work enough you'll get off your arse and go get a job somewhere else. Don't give me the line that "Some people can't because of where they live" That is shit too. If you want to work ie. get a job you'll get off your arse and get one. Too often these days there are employees that are being carried along because employers have no recourse once they are hired.

For the record National isn't any more right wing than Labour is Left. Most political parties trot along a safe middle ground so they don't piss anyone off.

Except by treading the safe nanny line they end up pissing off almost all of us at sometime or other!

**Colapop** · 21st July 2006, 20:20

Originally Posted by chanceyy

MMP in action

Don't get me started on that!! If I wanted to hug a tree and let some minor homo party into govt......

**Hitcher** · 21st July 2006, 20:20

Originally Posted by chanceyy

& we hope it does not get to Select Committee

For heaven's sake. Why? It will go to a Select Committee that is dominated by left-wing interests. There it will be subject to public submissions and fannied around with something chronic. Once it emerges it may bear little resemblance to its current state. It then has to be passed by a majority of MPs who will be voting on party lines.

This is New Zealand's law-making process at work. Yes, crap law does get through Select Committees, but only crap law that is sanctioned by the ruling party/coalition (e.g. the dog chipping law).

Sleep safely in your beds, left-leaning voters. The end of the world is not yet nigh.

**acewheelie** · 21st July 2006, 20:22

Originally Posted by chanceyy

MMP in action

MMP SUXS!!

Government is rule by commitee as it is, throw multiple parties into the mix and its like the school council meets the ARC UGH.... (with kindie thrown in)