Welfare hand-out No. 256- ENOUGH ALREADY

[dnos]

I have to say i agree with whats being said.
It is really depressing to see so many people spending someone elses (or mine) hard earned money on booze and drugs. I'm not saying all beneficiaries do it but that is what we see and that is what we believe.
Some people genuinely can't work, but the majority don't WANT to work. And that is what pisses me off. And having to go on the dole to get job opportunities is ridiculous - why bother getting a job if you are already getting money for nothing. I thought it was compulsory to be actively seeking employment to recieve the dole but from what i gather its not enforced and it can't be hard to give any employer you are thicker than a plank thus not getting hired.

Seems like something really needs to be done about the way the government is treating the problem - increasing payouts and expanding the number of people they are available to is the exact opposite to what is needed.

[terbang]

The govt takes 39% of what I work for and gives it to complete strangers. I have no choice in this matter.

You vote..?

[Swoop]

I have to say i agree with whats being said.
It is really depressing to see so many people spending someone elses (or mine) hard earned money on booze and drugs.

I prefer the food voucher system. NO money into their hands - straight to the food supplier and bills paid direct.
If they want money for fags, P, "Pshhhttt" blow off toys for their jappa import, or whatever - then they go and earn it.

[Biohazard]

You vote..?

An unfortunate idialistic outlook there...

We no doubt vote in the direction which is good for the country, but the major problem is that there are alot of scrungers/ dumb arse low lifes who also have the ability to vote and they will always vote for for a system that means they dont have to work and get everything for nowt..

Fooking knobeads.......

[The_Dover]

I'm thinking of going on the dole.

[DMNTD:Me]

I'm thinking of going on the dole.

Same...

[u4ea]

You vote..?

bak when i went back to work,my son was two and nats were in.i was on the dpb as i was an abused woman,which i understood it was designed for single parents who were vulnerable,i lived in a little state unit which was $64 a week.I had a part time job but there was no childcare assistance then!!!!!now i am on acc but when working fulltime i was only about $30 a week better off than the dpb with a part time job.i have been a part time soldier when my son was 8 yrs old.no childcare then either!!!!!!!!!!no incentive but my own drive to get my small family off the system and own my own home which has been a hard road but one which is worth it.i have recently heard a story of an apprentichip where 3 boys where euro and the rest were flatnosed and the latter got a $600 rebate on their fees...............why work harder when ya dont have to right????????????????????????????

[scumdog]

A lot of my 'client base' are on the benefit of various sorts.

Most (but not all) make no effort to get a job, they smoke, drink, do drugs, drive crappy no-reg/no-wof cars, have a section that looks like a Beirut airstrike took place there, have a house that looks like a midden inside, (WTF?- they have all day to tidy it up!), they have trendy skulls on the mantle-piece, a cheapo imitation Harley flag/rug on the wall, a sink full of unwashed dishes, the place reeks of stale cooking fat from fry-ups, a majority have some X-box mind-melter thing and they breed like rabbits.

Their fortnightly 'social event' is going to court on court day and catching up (or appearing themselves) with those about to appear in court.

And we PAY them to do all this???

Some I have met are really looking after themselves, their kids and getting all the work they can, they ARE making an effort, - those ones I salute and have a lot of time for.

[kickingzebra]

I prefer the food voucher system. NO money into their hands - straight to the food supplier and bills paid direct.
If they want money for fags, P, "Pshhhttt" blow off toys for their jappa import, or whatever - then they go and earn it.

Power and telephone are not fundamental rights.
200 years ago you wanted to be warm, you robbed someones coat, killed an animal and used its skin, or did something useful to trade for something warm.

Now they rob us without even trying!!

While I am not saying we should let people go hungry, the basics is what government funded sustenance should be. Nought more than that.

And the hand up concept, practical help into work or business.

[DMNTD:Me]

...And the hand up concept, practical help into work or business.

Unfortunately it isn't that easy in most cases....pity.
I am on an invalids benefit,one that they say I can stay on for the rest of my life
I was shocked,appauled when told this. Obviously,or maybe not,I'm not keen on this and have put my own steps into place to ensure that I'm not a leach on society for life,and have recently created my own Co. without ANY help from WINZ.
Benefits,especially straight unemployment benefits, are for losers for the most part IMHO.
The best thing they do these days though is provide training for the unemployed so they have a better chance of getting and keeping a job.

In saying all of that I do think giving the kids some fruit is a good thing...it isn't their fault their "parents" are frecking losers that just bought a tinnie/beer/V8 or sneezing car.

[Beemer]

Surely the point is more that the children should not have to suffer ill health (potentially) for the rest of their lives just because their parents are crap.

Plus, won't they cost more money in the long term if they get bowel cancer etc?

The point is, giving them a piece of fruit a day won't make a jot of difference in the long run. Did anyone see the item on TV? They asked the kids what they had for lunch. Was it something healthy, including more fruit that their parents had provided? Nope, it was pies and chips and fizzy drinks. So giving them a piece of free fruit a day was like giving them a vitamin pill - unless there are long-term changes made in their diet, they will be just as fat, lazy and unhealthy as their parents in a few years. Giving kids decent food should be something that is automatic. Immunising them against disease is something the government should be doing, quite rightly, but the responsibility of providing good food stops with the parents.

Teach them how to cook as well - how many would have no idea how to cook a nutritious and cheap meal? Hell, I buy blade steak and turn it into delicious casseroles with potatoes, carrots and other veges. Total cost for enough for four servings? About $10. Total cost for takeaways for four people? A hell of a lot more than $10, that's for sure. Last night we had tomato and mushroom risotto and sausages - total cost for about six servings was maybe $12. And don't get me started on what you can do with mince!

[jazbug5]

The ambulance is needed at the bottom of this cliff so the kids don't suffer. I agree with the sentiment thjey shouldn't be disadvantged by dumb arse parents that (through ignorance or stupidity) don't feed them right and spend money on other crap.

This is basically what I was saying.

The poor little feckers did not choose to be born; at least if they get some decent nutrition they might actually pay attention better at school (BIG link between nutrition and attention span) and maybe better themselves.

Personal note: my mum's dad died really young because he was physically f*cked as a result of having been fed buggerall of any value when he was growing up. His dad was an alcoholic bludger, but Grandad was a hard worker from childhood, and supported his whole family from the age of 12.
Just because a parent is a lazy arsehole does not mean the kid automatically will be.

[Macktheknife]

I had the opportunity to live for a while in a country that had no social support system like we do, it was tough when I fell on hard times, very tough. But I was highly motivated to get myself sorted and fed and a job was found in reasonably short order (which I hated). Then I got another job as well (which I also didnt like) and progressed into a better first job (which was ok), within a short time I was back on my feet and doing ok. I worked my butt off and was happy about the achievement, even if not the circumstances.
My point is, if you have to do it to stay alive, you tend to get motivated pretty fast. There are those within our system that really need help and they should get it, there are also those who just can't be bothered getting off their arses and doing some work. So for those people, they should be made to work for whatever they get, simple.
I believe things will improve if work for the dole comes into effect, work for 3 days per week and have 2 days to look for work.
Bring on the food vouchers and yes sure why not give the kids some fruit, it might be the only time they get some. More importantly it must be given to all the kids to promote health not handouts to minority groups.
Failing that, introduce the compulsory cutoff in 3 months.

[jazbug5]

Fair point, Beemer. School dinners should not include crap like that at all.
Everyone should know how too cook nutritious, cheap meals.

However, sugary/fatty foods are 'feelgood' foods for a lot of people- not to mention easier. Lazyness, yes- but junk food companies are very happy to capitalise on peoples' weakness.

[emaN]

I've had a gutsful of this shit labour govt's never ending pre-occupation to invent more ways of taking everything a worker earns and giving it to bludging undeserving losers.

right with ya bro!

I'm pretty sure in the US getting the dole is a 'once in a life-time' event.

Reckon that's what we need here;
lose your job, go on the dole for 6mths.
after 6mths it drops to 80%
3mths after that, 40%
3mths after that, nada, zip.

AND, you don't get it for another 5yrs.
(yes, of course, there will be 'exceptions'; ie if the Co you work for goes bust etc etc... my suggestion is trying to deter people from "jumping ship" as easily)