Don't take a knife to a gunfight !

[roogazza]

An earlier post mentioned " Darwin " and I couldn't help but remember that scene in 2001 Space Odyssey where they picked up bones !!!! This one picked a machete !!!!!!!!!!

Hope it turns out ok for the shooter !! G. ps. Too subtle ?

[oldrider]

lol I have to take leave to attend jury service, but I can apply to get my leave returned if I return the money given for jury service, for queen and country sir!

I suppose I have to take that all back now! ..... Sorry sAsLEX

[Shadows]

The whole thing stinks. I feel for the shop owner.

He had a difficult choice to make very quickly.
Wear a machete in the neck or shoot the cunt.
Either way one of three possible outcomes could come about.
Slashed and possibly killed with a machete, a possible manslaughter charge for shooting the guy, a possible murder charge for shooting the guy and killing him.
He chose the former option, so instead of getting fucked up by some scumbag he'll probably be charged and end up losing $60K - $70K on his defense. Guilty or innocent, slashed up or not, his life has been fucked up by some low life piece of shit in an instant.
Thats really unfair, all the dude did was get up in the morning, go to work, and stand at the counter. The guy is innocent but will end up paying some way or another regardless.
It will be the choice of one prosecuting police officer that will determine if the poor dude's life gets all fucked up. Thats not fucking on either. If the decision is made that it goes to court then damage will be done there and then.

I reckon in cases like this there should be a public opinion poll via text message or something to determine whether or not the guy has a case to answer. Of course all the facts would need to be made public for in informed decision to be made. Then at least the decision to prosecute or not would be made democratically and not by one person with fuck knows what kinds of political or bureaucratic pressures on him to lay charges.

He should have shot him in the fucking head, at least then all this shit he is about to go through might seem a little more worthwhile.

[spudchucka]

do they get trained to fire a warning shot? spud, scum?

The police? No. The problem with warning shots is that there is a round fired randomly in a direction that you can't guarantee it won't result in an injury to a human or damage to property. If you have someone intent on hacking your head off with a machette the last thing you are going to do is take your eyes off him to ensure that the warning shot is fired in a safe direction.

[spudchucka]

Police handgun training is a joke. If you stand 3 metres away from your target you should be able to hurt someone else apart from yourself...

Try 50 metres. and then go back to 75 metres.

With a hand gun? Only if you are a complete f&%king idiot!

[spudchucka]

When I was at college i heard of a case which occured twenty years ago, i think it was in the Wellington distict, where a similar instance happened. The Defendant shot a male who was committing a home invasion style burglary at his house. He was found not guilty as at the time his defence stated he was working on his rifle and that was the closest thing he had to himself to defend himself.

There's another one where an elderly guy noticed that his neighbours house was being burgaled. He knew that his neighbours were away and saw lights on and a person was moving about inside.

He was a gun collector so he armed himself and went to investigate. When he got to the the address the burglar was just exiting the property. The burglar had a video tape in his hand and he hit the old guy on the head with it and knocked him to the ground.

It was dark, the old guy couldn't see what the burglar had hit him with but he was in fear of his life so he fired his weapon and killed the burglar.

The old guy wasn't charged with murder or manslaughter as it was written off as self defence but he did face several firearms charges and was convicted of those.

I'd say that this case may have a similar ending. If the shop guy is charged with murder, manslaughter, wounding, assault with a weapon etc etc, I'd doubt that any jury would convict him. However it would be very hard to acquit him of the inevitable firearms charges.

[spudchucka]

Trouble is it will cost him heaps to defend the charge in court, common sense says no charges should be laid. Yes I know common sense is obsolete now- but maybe some one in prosecutions will show some spine

There will be some QC out there who will volunteer their services for free in order to win what will inevitably become a case that invokes huge public interest.

[spudchucka]

My new stance on the legal system has been brought on by the attitude of the police department and their taxation measures at the cost of real law enforcement and protecting and serving the public.
ALL juries that I get on will in future be seeing me voting against the prosecution and in favour of the accused - with FULL costs and expenses awarded to that person. Fuck em.

Thats really intelligent. let the murderers and rapists go because the police write tickets for traffic offences.

I don't think you ever have to worry about getting on a jury.

[WINJA]

if he does get charged they better reopen the steven wallace case and charge and convict that pig cause he coulda used the car as a weapon which woulda been more reasonable use of force against a golf club , not that i think it was wrong shooting steven wallace but id hate to see a double standard , just cause your a pig it dont mean you should be exempt from the same reasonable force law

[sAsLEX]

However it would be very hard to acquit him of the inevitable firearms charges.

What charges are inevitable? From what I know of most gun store I have been in to it would not of been hard to pick up a weapon turn a few steps to the ammo locker and lock and load.

I mean are we unable to defend ourselves with deadly force in this country or not? or is it ok to kill them just you get charged for firearms charges, I mean a firearms charge would fuck your chances of lving the rest of your life free to visit other countries all because some smacktard thought it was wise to choose his target as a gun store?

[sAsLEX]

if he does get charged they better reopen the steven wallace case and charge and convict that pig cause he coulda used the car as a weapon which woulda been more reasonable use of force against a golf club , not that i think it was wrong shooting steven wallace but id hate to see a double standard , just cause your a pig it dont mean you should be exempt from the same reasonable force law

No that dumb cut deserved what he got! He couldnt use the car anymore as the windscreen had been smashed in.

Again I must issue this statement: Darwin was on to a few good ideas.

The loss of some people is better for our race so we shouldnt sit around worrying about the lower end of the gene pool killing themselves off by doing stupid shit.

[spudchucka]

What charges are inevitable?

Without knowing all the circumstances of the incident I'm not going to second guess the investigation by suggesting here what he might or might not be charged with. Have a look through the Arms Act 1983 and see what you think.

[Patrick]

if he does get charged they better reopen the steven wallace case and charge and convict that pig cause he coulda used the car as a weapon which woulda been more reasonable use of force against a golf club , not that i think it was wrong shooting steven wallace but id hate to see a double standard , just cause your a pig it dont mean you should be exempt from the same reasonable force law

Ummm.... he didn't have a car... he had a gun...

I take you haven't seen a caved in skull after it was hit with a golf club? I have..... had to pick uip the pieces of brain that squirted out... and in case you were wondering, no, he didn't survive

And he was charged (although not by the Police)... and was found not guilty... Can't charge him again now, can ya.

[Motu]

you've mastered the art of denial.

Did I twitch one of your strings my predictable puppet? - you should really get a life of your own and not wait for me to tell you when to speak.

[Swoop]

So you support the KAHUI clan then... You got a ticket?.... Diddums... harden up. Let kiddie killers go coz you got a ticket? That IS what you just said really, isn't it?????

What ticket?

However:
100% correct.
Go to the top of the class... and jump off.