Don't take a knife to a gunfight !

[scumdog]

So you also wouldn't train to use the .223 at 1-2metres either?

Good to know that you get the full use out of all your equipment.
It is possible you will only have the pistol on/with you so why not learn to use it better?
If the situation calls for the .223 then shit has already gone down...

Nice troll!

You use what you have at the time in the best way you can.
Takes 3 shots with Glock to equal the effect of one shot with Bushmaster.

The Glocks effective range is about the distance you could throw it.
Not many Police are highly trained marksmen and a lot don't even own a firearm of any sort, hence it is not easy for most to hit somebody running towards them at 20 metres - let alone further away, YOU try drawing/firing at a moving target at 20 metres.
Mind you having 17 shots MAY help you hit the insane machete wielder running towars you at the time - and with a bit of luck you won't send any stray rounds into houses/cars/little kids in the background. (insane people rarely think of what's in the background behind them when they charge).

My 2cents.

[frogfeaturesFZR]

Scummy, off the subject for a moment, do the cops use factory ammo or is it loaded especially for them ? Reason I ask is 'down-loaded' ammo travels only 1/2 the distance of full loads and has less chance of passing through the target.

[Lou Girardin]

The old guy wasn't charged with murder or manslaughter as it was written off as self defence but he did face several firearms charges and was convicted of those.

Which achieved what exactly?
The old 'prosecute at all costs' mentality.

And what is the reason for the delay anyway. Are the investigators going over the gun shop procedures with a fine tooth comb to see if they can nail them with sonething?

[scumdog]

Scummy, off the subject for a moment, do the cops use factory ammo or is it loaded especially for them ? Reason I ask is 'down-loaded' ammo travels only 1/2 the distance of full loads and has less chance of passing through the target.

Factory hollow-point ammo, more knock-down power/ less penetration.
Reduced loads are likely to (a) not have enough knock-down power and (b) likely not to cycle the actions of the semi-autos they're used in.

[Swoop]

Nice troll!

You use what you have at the time in the best way you can.
Takes 3 shots with Glock to equal the effect of one shot with Bushmaster.

The Glocks effective range is about the distance you could throw it.
Not many Police are highly trained marksmen and a lot don't even own a firearm of any sort, hence it is not easy for most to hit somebody running towards them at 20 metres - let alone further away, YOU try drawing/firing at a moving target at 20 metres.
Mind you having 17 shots MAY help you hit the insane machete wielder running towars you at the time - and with a bit of luck you won't send any stray rounds into houses/cars/little kids in the background. (insane people rarely think of what's in the background behind them when they charge).

My 2cents.

Good points!


I have appointed myself a 9/10 for this one. Most of the cops have bitten REALLY well...

[Lou Girardin]

:ytake all the cops off the roads and see how much fun that is...motorcyclists would have a very short life expectancy i would imagine.

I don't rely on cops to keep me safe.

[scumdog]

I don't rely on cops to keep me safe.

Nor do I!!

[terbang]

Its a Hazard of the job. If you are a robber that wields a machete and robs shops then you need to be aware of some possible hazards of the job, especially if you choose to rob a gun shop. I guess a shop owner who has a gun when you attempt to rob him, like the mountain goat up there in the clouds in my profession, there are risks to the job.

[spudchucka]

So you also wouldn't train to use the .223 at 1-2metres either?

Good to know that you get the full use out of all your equipment.
It is possible you will only have the pistol on/with you so why not learn to use it better?
If the situation calls for the .223 then shit has already gone down...

We do train to use a .223 in reactive shooting from close range. I thought an expert like you would have known that?

If I go to an incident requiring the use of firearms then I will either have both weapons with me or I will have a partner at my side who is carrying the alternative weapon.

From a police point of view there isn't any point training to shoot a glock over 70 metres, you might as well throw rotten eggs at the offender. If we wanted to go to the Olympic games and win gold medals then by all means practice shooting pistols at long range but from a law enforcement perspective it has absolutely no merits.

I suggest you drop the topic before you make an even bigger arse of yourself.

[sAsLEX]

Factory hollow-point ammo, more knock-down power/ less penetration.
Reduced loads are likely to (a) not have enough knock-down power and (b) likely not to cycle the actions of the semi-autos they're used in.

Interesting...... pretty sure we only use FMJ but I suppose we do have that little Geneva Convention to abide by....thought the cops would too??

[spudchucka]

Which achieved what exactly?

Don't know & don't care really. Why do we charge anybody with an offence? Convicting a murderer isn't going to make the victim unmurdered, convicting a dangerous driver isn't going to suddenly make them a safe road user, charging the guy that chopped down that protected tree isn't going to make it grow back.

You tell me why we have statutes that make certain acts or omissions offences? Tell me why we charge offenders if in reality it achieves nothing?

And what is the reason for the delay anyway. Are the investigators going over the gun shop procedures with a fine tooth comb to see if they can nail them with sonething?

Don't know, its not my investigation. Maybe there is more to it than meets the eye? And going by your first question to me, whats it going to achieve by charging the guy anyway?

[spudchucka]

Interesting...... pretty sure we only use FMJ but I suppose we do have that little Geneva Convention to abide by....thought the cops would too??

It doesn't apply to Law Enforcement.

[Finn]

Big deal, the mongrel is charged with assualt and "intent" to rob. So he'll be roaming the streets again shortly. I wonder when he'll next be in the herald?

http://www.nzherald.co.nz/section/st...ectID=10393811

[sAsLEX]

Big deal, the mongrel is charged with assualt and "intent" to rob. So he'll be roaming the streets again shortly. I wonder when he'll next be in the herald?

http://www.nzherald.co.nz/section/st...ectID=10393811

Shouldnt running at someone with a Machete be attempted murder? Or some charge with threatening someone with a weapon at least

[Finn]

Shouldnt running at someone with a Machete be attempted murder? Or some charge with threatening someone with a weapon at least

Yeah but the problem is that there was only one bed left in prison and they thought it was more important to put that guy away that put an axe through Helen Clarks office window. Clearly he was not a Labour supporter.