Don't take a knife to a gunfight !

[Swoop]

We do train to use a .223 in reactive shooting from close range. I thought an expert like you would have known that?

If I go to an incident requiring the use of firearms then I will either have both weapons with me or I will have a partner at my side who is carrying the alternative weapon.

From a police point of view there isn't any point training to shoot a glock over 70 metres, you might as well throw rotten eggs at the offender. If we wanted to go to the Olympic games and win gold medals then by all means practice shooting pistols at long range but from a law enforcement perspective it has absolutely no merits.

I suggest you drop the topic before you make an even bigger arse of yourself.

I wonder where the police gat a bad rap from?
Here I am simply stating a few facts and you refuse to accept comments as the truth. Perhaps like some of your customers?
A couple more for you:
Some people shoot (specialised) handguns at targets out to 200 yards - and hit their target. Simple fact.
I cannot do that and I guess neither could most people. Simple fact.

As stated in another post, the instance when you have the .223 out of it's case is when the shit has gone down and everyone is in "oh fuck, what do we do now" mode.
The toy you have most handy - and carried in more cars than we would like to imagine our "unarmed" police force to be carrying, is the pistol.
Why not learn what it CAN do, rather than saying "it's only for short range stuff".
Try engaging your cranial cavity occasionally and think outside the box, otherwise you may end up in one because of your pre-conceived ideas.

[scumdog]

The toy you have most handy - and carried in more cars than we would like to imagine our "unarmed" police force to be carrying, is the pistol.
Why not learn what it CAN do, rather than saying "it's only for short range stuff".
Try engaging your cranial cavity occasionally and think outside the box, otherwise you may end up in one because of your pre-conceived ideas.

Think of it this way: the public expect us to be experts as drivers/shooter/fighters/negotiators/rescuers/ticket writers etc etc.

How much training on a regular basis do you expect us to do to achieve this?
And then when do you expect us to have time to do any 'normal' work?

And a 200 yard shot with a pistol in a calm environment with a known range with a large calibre pistol with expensive sights is one thing.


A 9mm Glock with basic fixed sights at unknown range in a heated uncertain environment with dubious lighting is another.


But surely you knew that already??

[Swoop]

What exactly was told to you?

PM sent.......

[Swoop]

...in a heated uncertain environment with dubious lighting is another.


But surely you knew that already??

I thought it was quite cold in the Southern Riviera this time of year???

Yes Scummy, I appreciate the environment that most contacts are made in. I bet very few are like those scenarios practiced on the range.

[spudchucka]

It would be if those aquitted were awarded full costs. As it is, people are ruined because some senior cop is too spineless to stand up and say the case should not go to court. (Unless the offender is a member of the Labour party, that is)

PS I'm able because I have some common sense. The common bit.

I'll agree with you on the awarding of costs bit.

[spudchucka]

I wonder where the police gat a bad rap from?
Here I am simply stating a few facts and you refuse to accept comments as the truth. Perhaps like some of your customers?

All you've done is make a whole heap of broad meaningless statements based on assumption. I've told you what police train for and explained the reasons why they train that way. You appear to be too thick to be able to understand this.

A couple more for you:
Some people shoot (specialised) handguns at targets out to 200 yards - and hit their target. Simple fact.
I cannot do that and I guess neither could most people. Simple fact.

I'm sure there are people that shoot handguns over that distance but as I've already explained to you there is no practical reason why police would. If someone needed shooting from that distance then the cop wouldn't be doing it with a glock. Why waste training resources practicing something that you will never use.

As stated in another post, the instance when you have the .223 out of it's case is when the shit has gone down and everyone is in "oh fuck, what do we do now" mode.

No, its not. You take a .223 whenever there may be a need for it and from a front line point of view a Bushmaster pointed at some dirtbag offender has a great deal more "fuck off" factor than a glock especially from only a few metres away.

The toy you have most handy - and carried in more cars than we would like to imagine our "unarmed" police force to be carrying, is the pistol.

No, again. Some rural cars carry weapons and in urban areas the sergeants car will usually have a gun safe and it aint just pistols in their. If need be cops can meet at a safe location and arm themselves out of the Sgts car or otherwise they will go back to the station and arm themselves there. They have the choice of taking a pistol, a rifle or both and with the new rifle in circulation now most are chosing it as their preferred option.

Why not learn what it CAN do, rather than saying "it's only for short range stuff".

I know what it can do, you squeeze the trigger, it goes bang and this little bit of lead comes out the pointy end. I've explained why police train to use the weapon over short distances, I'm not going to keep repeating myself just because you are too thick to understand.

Try engaging your cranial cavity occasionally and think outside the box, otherwise you may end up in one because of your pre-conceived ideas.

Coming from you I can only piss myself laughing at that statement.

[James Deuce]

A couple more for you:
Some people shoot (specialised) handguns at targets out to 200 yards - and hit their target. Simple fact.
I cannot do that and I guess neither could most people. Simple fact.

Maybe a Sterling X-Caliber with the .50 barrel and chamber attached mate. That sounds like competition weapons on a range to me. Mass produced, unmodified handguns, particularly automatics, designed for use by the general public are more likely to scare people with the loud noise and the thought of a fat high speed slug travelling through the air than to hit their actual target.

[bobsmith]

Damn it. I feel like joining in and hurling insult at the pigs but can't think of anything to say at the moment.... too early in the morning, need coffee..................

[Swoop]

So no ticket... and your gripe is then? I've had tickets, never bitched and moaned about any of em.

BUt you're a 100% KAHUI supporter..., you heard it here, as above. He supports the killer and the family that hides him. What a

Going back to my other thread within this thread...
I would like to apologise. But only for the fact that there are some thick buggers around here.
I can go and make a statement like that and the only people to resopnd here are the coppers. The rest of our community said nothing.
A strange similarity of when the police come out with the "speed kills" statement and attempt to target speed as the "golden bullet" to make roads safer. (Tui anyone?)

Only a small amount of people actually vocalised their displeasure (proportionally) with both comments.
We, as a biking community, are a small voice in the wilderness of political opinion and we ALL need to become far more prominent, otherwise we will be railroaded even more than what we are already seeing in the sham meetings to "gather public input".

Get with it people.

[Lou Girardin]

Think of it this way: the public expect us to be experts as drivers/shooter/fighters/negotiators/rescuers/ticket writers etc etc.

You got one right.

[scumdog]

You got one right.

And when we do excell in that one we get nothing but moans from the public

[Swoop]

Damn it. I feel like joining in and hurling insult at the pigs but can't think of anything to say at the moment.... too early in the morning, need coffee..................

You might be wasting your breath there... They can only spout the party line, or recite what they have been brainwashed with.
Try and get the north island ones thinking outside that area of concept and they just go into "ticket writing mode" (e.g. shuts off all audible hearing of truth, logic or common sense or reason and gets the pen moving).

The riviera of the south seems a bit more sensible though...

[scumdog]

You might be wasting your breath there... They can only spout the party line, or recite what they have been brainwashed with.
Try and get the north island ones thinking outside that area of concept and they just go into "ticket writing mode" (e.g. shuts off all audible hearing of truth, logic or common sense or reason and gets the pen moving).

The riviera of the south seems a bit more sensible though...

Yeah well I'm a ferkin sight older than most - but my bosses won't agree with you.

(And look out if I haven't had my morning caffienne fix and you go past me anything over ***kph - you'll get a nasty ticking off and a reminder how the road time gained by speeding has now been lost!)

[spudchucka]

You might be wasting your breath there... They can only spout the party line, or recite what they have been brainwashed with.
Try and get the north island ones thinking outside that area of concept and they just go into "ticket writing mode" (e.g. shuts off all audible hearing of truth, logic or common sense or reason and gets the pen moving).

The riviera of the south seems a bit more sensible though...

I've told you the way things are, you've spouted nothing but bullshit and admitted to being a troll, your mate Bobsmith or Hoon Sang can't even get a brain to function well enough to dream up a simple insult. Face it, you're fucked!

[Finn]

The riviera of the south seems a bit more sensible though...

No he's just burnt out. Once he perf's, he's coming to work for me.