ATNR (Auckland Thursday night ride) - Discussion thread

[Biggles08]

FFS... if you do the crime be prepared to do the time. It's risk and return. No mystery to it, no point bitching and moaning. It's a simple transaction with a greatly increased likelihood on the ATNR because we set off from the same place, same time every week, take the same route (more or less) and end up in the same place. You think it's a challenge to catch people breaking the law in a regular as clockwork pattern?

Read my 1st post on the subject again...this is my Point exactly...no challenge at all...Money for jam you might say!

You think they should ignore people breaking the law every week regular as clockwork? What if it was a theif breaking into your house every Tuesday afternoon?

Well this is quite different to going over 100kph...if you cant figure this out for yourself, your a twat!

Or are there some laws they should ignore coz... y'know... they're not so important.

Question...will you still smack your child after they tried to put a fork in the power socket??? I know a lot of people who will but if you do....ooooooo......You criminal!!!

Sort your shit out.

I have my shit all nicely lined up in a neat row...its all 100% sorted

If people all follow along blindly and just do what we're told and when, you will end up with whatever others decide is best for you...me...nah...its bullocks and I won't shut up just because you say so.

I get so fucked off with small minded people forcing their opinion onto me! FYI I didn't get a ticket, or lose my license but I am gutted that my mate did! He was going over 100kph, he was 'breaking the law' and yes by all counts he should face the music...does this make it right?! No it doesn't. The penalty doesn't serve 'justice' to the crime...he was not riding dangerously at all to himself or others...it only remotely makes sense if you buy into the bullshit propaganda quote "Speed Kills."

[DMNTD:Me]

...he was not riding dangerously at all to himself or others...

I can and will vouch for that 100%,however...

...it only remotely makes sense if you buy into the bullshit propaganda quote "Speed Kills."

It's the "Law"...sucks arse but it is,sadly. Ride beyond it and be prepared for the bs that ensues.
Hey don't get me wrong mate...I break the speed limit more often than not however I know what happens if I get caught.

[Cr1MiNaL]

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I get so fucked off with small minded people forcing their opinion onto me! FYI I didn't get a ticket, or lose my license but I am gutted that my mate did! He was going over 100kph, he was 'breaking the law' and yes by all counts he should face the music...does this make it right?! No it doesn't. The penalty doesn't serve 'justice' to the crime...he was not riding dangerously at all to himself or others...it only remotely makes sense if you buy into the bullshit propaganda quote "Speed Kills."

Good on ya buddy, don't listen to some of these blokes. Shano's a good guy and a talented rider, ridden with min a few times before and he never puts u under any pressure... ever... gutted he lost his license... but now hes got 28 days to think of the next mod hell jolt on to his bike. Will it be a radar?!

[Titanium]

Simple .....

Speeding = get ticket
Ride like crap, beyond your skill, beyond quality of the road, beyond the conditions = fall off / get hurt.

Do all of that while cops around, on a public road, well published ride = dick head / dick headette ....

All the moaners, drink a cement milk shake and harden yo arse up!

Pay your dollars and get to a track day if you want to speed, get your knee down, show off the size of your balls to your mates.

It is not cool to fall off ....... shows a total lack of your ability to judge your own skill level.

It is a fine line between being a smarty dick and a just a plain dick.

But what do I know .......

Rant over .......

[Titanium]

Snip ...

only remotely makes sense if you buy into the bullshit propaganda quote "Speed Kills."

Where have you been? Ask ANYBODY who was on a ride on the 2nd of December 2006. Two extremely talented, extremely skilled, much loved riders lost their lives because of one thing ...... speed.

You are So uncool .......

[Kittyhawk]

Simple .....

Speeding = get ticket
Ride like crap, beyond your skill, beyond quality of the road, beyond the conditions = fall off / get hurt.

Do all of that while cops around, on a public road, well published ride = dick head / dick headette ....

I have to agree with T on this one...if you are breaking the law in one way or another you have to be prepared for the fines etc....at the end of the day.........What's the point in going on and on about it.....We did the rides, got the fines, pay it or contest it and move on!

so cant you use 5th or 6th gear at 100kms nanna

Yea some of us got pulled over for being a nana rider!!!lol

[Macktheknife]

Thanks for Mack for the couch man

As always my friend, it was my pleasure to have you here.

[westie]

Was nice to see a few new faces out there last night, and also a pleasant surprise to meet MDU's special guests!

My knees are all cleaned up and bandaged, a big thanks to Macktheknife for the treatment, and to him and DMNTD for the good yarn earlier today.

I feel for the guys who lost their licences, yeh the cops were being nazi etc but we knew they would be around. I am contemplating appealing my $150 ticket for 'passing on a yellow line' which I am 100% certain I did not do. If the guys that were around at the the time that i got pulled over (and consequently binned) could send me a PM and let me know if you think I am wrong that'd be awesome.

Thanks to the guy on the CBR900, sorry i don't know your screen name.

Take it easy out there guys.

Bro I am really worked up about what that cop did last night. You hardly passed on the yellow line and he decided he was going to have you. Whether it meant almost taking me out(which I had a go at him for) or overtaking on a blind corner, or following too closely to you and causing you(in my opinion) to crash off your bike into the hard stuff. Three wrongs dont make a right eh? or is that two. He even manages to give you a ticket, after causing your crash.
Big old fuuuuuuuck wit for ruining our ride.

There's no hoons on this ride is there????
Didn't see any, just a couple of people in leathers walking along.

[Biggles08]

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Where have you been? Ask ANYBODY who was on a ride on the 2nd of December 2006. Two extremely talented, extremely skilled, much loved riders lost their lives because of one thing ...... speed.

You are So uncool .......

I have no idea what your referring to Titanium (I obviously haven't been around KB long enough) and I mean no disrespect to who you are talking about, however there is no way possible that speed alone was the reason for the loss of lives. There was obviously other factors at play in the incident. I stand by my original statement that "speed Kills" is Bulshit. It is like saying chop all the trees down so we never have another bush fire. The trees are only part of the reason for the fire...what about the idiot that threw the cig into the bush....but no, we blame the trees because that is who we have been programed to blame.

Who's to say that 100kph is the magical number that make us safe anyway??? The law? I know plenty of situations that I have been driving/riding in where I would have been an idiot to go the legal 100kph...but it would have been legal! I think you are missing my point Titanium, which is speed (as referred to as exceeding the set limit) alone can not be blamed for accidents. Speed plus other circumstances (bad visibility, excessive traffic, unpredictable pedestrians, bad road condition etc) will ultimately determine the rider/driver/other road users safety in any given situation. I wish we would adopt more of an attitude of the Europeans (Germany in particular) where personal responsibility still means something. You never get an outcry about how bad speed is in Germany after an massive accident...nope, they look at the actual reason for it and take measures to ensure they minimize the chance of it happening again. They pay detailed attention to driver education, road conditions and enforce laws that are designed to protect the citizens from harm and not laws designed to raise money for the government! Its so obvious if you take the time to get out of the little box that you call life, that you live in...thats uncool in my opinion.

And to further rebut your last comment....nah, I'm cool, just ask me...I'll tell you!

[Biggles08]

If only there was some form of test you had to sit before you got a driving licence that could be used to weed out all the retards that can't ride / drive properly...

Maybe I'm just dreaming here.

Well there is really. Just have decent tests to start with. My partner is German and moved here 5 years ago. She changed her German license to a NZ one and couldn't believe how easy it was! Scratchy pot-luck test and she was away laughing!?! In Germany you need to do a certain amount of hours in any given environment ie so many on the autobahn, so many in suburban streets etc...and not taught by your dad or mum but by a certified instructor! We let anyone on the road here.

Further more, the 'decent' cops are policing the real crimes like dangerous driving/riding, unfit vehicles, and drunk driving, not out getting their 'quota.'. I don't really even have a problem with cops giving out speeding tickets for the right reasons...however, sitting on the side of a road specifically waiting for our group to fuck us over is not cool...its simply revenue collecting and that is what I hate!

[westie]

I have no idea what your referring to Titanium (I obviously haven't been around KB long enough) and I mean no disrespect to who you are talking about, however there is no way possible that speed alone was the reason for the loss of lives. There was obviously other factors at play in the incident. I stand by my original statement that "speed Kills" is Bulshit. It is like saying chop all the trees down so we never have another bush fire. The trees are only part of the reason for the fire...what about the idiot that threw the cig into the bush....but no, we blame the trees because that is who we have been programed to blame.

Who's to say that 100kph is the magical number that make us safe anyway??? The law? I know plenty of situations that I have been driving/riding in where I would have been an idiot to go the legal 100kph...but it would have been legal! I think you are missing my point Titanium, which is speed (as referred to as exceeding the set limit) alone can not be blamed for accidents. Speed plus other circumstances (bad visibility, excessive traffic, unpredictable pedestrians, bad road condition etc) will ultimately determine the rider/driver/other road users safety in any given situation. I wish we would adopt more of an attitude of the Europeans (Germany in particular) where personal responsibility still means something. You never get an outcry about how bad speed is in Germany after an massive accident...nope, they look at the actual reason for it and take measures to ensure they minimize the chance of it happening again. They pay detailed attention to driver education, road conditions and enforce laws that are designed to protect the citizens from harm and not laws designed to raise money for the government! Its so obvious if you take the time to get out of the little box that you call life, that you live in...thats uncool in my opinion.

And to further rebut your last comment....nah, I'm cool, just ask me...I'll tell you!

Good view on the issue.

[Titanium]

I think you are missing my point Titanium, which is speed (as referred to as exceeding the set limit) alone can not be blamed for accidents. Speed plus other circumstances (bad visibility, excessive traffic, unpredictable pedestrians, bad road condition etc) will ultimately determine the rider/driver/other road users safety in any given situation..

And to further rebut your last comment....nah, I'm cool, just ask me...I'll tell you!

Not to forget bad or dangerous driving ........

Hell ... yup you are Dead Cool, a menace on the roads and with your head stuck up your a$$, nice mix. A real temporary New Zealander.

[BIGBOSSMAN]

Yup Biggles, where is the 'education' in simply slapping fines on people? Gone are the days of "Excuse me Sir, I have pulled you over because of your excessive speed. I'm going to let you off on a warning this time....".
To tell you the truth I've never had great experiences with the police here, I was assaulted by a gang member at the age of 18 and was never even interviewed (they did NOTHING), had numerous car break-ins and burglaries and each time all that eventuated from the cops was an 'incident report'.
I returned from the UK a few years ago (lived there for 2 years) and while on the way to pick my daughter up from Papakura (2 days after arriving back), I was pulled over by a cop on the deserted Takanini straight. 63kmh.
"Sorry officer, this is the first time in a car here since 2001 - been in England and the speed limit there in suburbia is 60kmh. I'll not do it again"
Ticket duly issued instead of a warning and some sermon about keeping the road toll down. Cocksucker!
Sounds just like the dick the other night...

[Littleman]

Tuie alou ali apalitou’ nu

I’d like to extend a warm and friendly greeting to our south Auckland Polynesian members who don’t pay their power bills.

Welcome to KB.

It is good to see you have continued to adopt the position of blaming others rather than accepting the consequences for you own actions and blame the people who forced you to become aware of your own(possibly poor) choices.

As you run into some farmers stock(or him) crossing the road and you couldn’t slow down fast enough(not because of speed mind you), ensure you point the finger at him accusingly as you body breaks up over a distance of some 200 – 300 meters down the road.

It will make you feel much better.

Tino fa’ua toli

[Brett]

Is this constructive discussion or have we reverted to just general shit fighting?