ATNR (Auckland Thursday night ride) - Discussion thread

**007XX** · 23rd July 2007, 12:31

Originally Posted by Keystone19

Just clean it up and leave this thread for it's original intention - information regarding the ride. Getting rid of the drivel into the discussion thread gets my vote.

yes, I'll second that please...the majority shouldn't be penalised because of a few.

Very respectfully, please Ms Joni

**Joni** · 23rd July 2007, 12:32

Originally Posted by 007XX

Very respectfully, please Ms Joni

Between Frosty and i, hours and hours of Modding has gone into this thread... no fair hun... also not my fault if people cannot listen to a polite request.

**007XX** · 23rd July 2007, 12:36

Originally Posted by Joni

Between Frosty and i, hours and hours of Modding has gone into this thread... no fair hun... also not my fault if people cannot listen to a polite request.

mmmm, yeah ok, I can understand your point...I wouldn't like to Mod, so will keep my nose out of it...

**Joni** · 23rd July 2007, 12:40

Right I will clean it up (again) one last time... but this is the last call!!!!!!

If it goes off track again, then its not as if more than enough fair warning was given.

It seems people seem to think mods have no life, we have hours and hours to spend re-doing what they have already done half a dozen times... come on guys, keep this thread on track.

I will clean it up tonight.

**007XX** · 23rd July 2007, 12:50

Originally Posted by Joni

Right I will clean it up (again) one last time... but this is the last call!!!!!!

If it goes off track again, then its not as if more than enough fair warning was given.

It seems people seem to think mods have no life, we have hours and hours to spend re-doing what they have already done half a dozen times... come on guys, keep this thread on track.

I will clean it up tonight.

Fair is fair...thanks Joni, much appreciated.

**Keystone19** · 23rd July 2007, 12:56

I reckon just select every post between here and the second one and push cut, then either delete or paste.

People don't stick to topic because most of them don't realise there's two threads. Their problem not yours Joni.

**Biggles08** · 23rd July 2007, 13:19

Originally Posted by ManDownUnder

Why should the cops police one law and not others?

Well Mr Twat, its like this

...If one law is stupid, and one law isn't, A 'good' cop will understand this difference and won't be a twat concentrating his efforts on the stupid law (notice the effective way i used name calling while staying on topic) ;-). What I'm hearing from you is that you like the fact that we (NZ citizens) have been dumbed down so much that even the most respected (traditionally speaking) profession about should not be allowed to have individual 'discretion' and 'responsibility' for any actions taken. You appear to believe that cops should 'blindly' follow along like stormtroopers hiding behind a socialist mentality of 'i don't make the laws, I just police them' attitude. Just what a little Hitler in power would like his people to be like.

Originally Posted by ManDownUnder

Yes - and I'll happily defend myself afterwards should there be any repercussions.

Should there be??? Now I'm confused...do you, or don't you think they should prosecute you for smacking your child if it is illegal? Maybe they should use 'discretion' when deciding to or not...oh no thats right, using your logic, they shouldn't be able to use discretion should they....twat (justified

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Originally Posted by ManDownUnder

Agreed - that's how Nazi Germany ended up the way it did. Not a good thing. Small point though - I never told you to shut up... simply sort your shit out.

ooooo...see you started the name calling first twat. Ignoring that, can you not see my point after writing this? Their ARE some laws that are in place to 'control' the masses...dumb laws! They need to be re-addressed if I am ever to be convinced that we don't have a socialist movement in this country..ie Nazi Germany in a clever disguised so-called democracy.

Originally Posted by ManDownUnder

Ok hang on - on one hand I hear you arguing the cops should be held accountable for trangressions (agreed)... which sounds like a "one law for all" approach

But then I hear you saying some laws should be ignored.

Which is it?

I reiterate my previous simile (sorry to digress) Should the police prosecute you if you smack your child as you have indicated you would in certain circumstances...even if it is against a "law." Do you honestly believe that is a good way to spend our hard earned (road) tax? I think we can agree (unless you are a twat of course

) that this is an example of bad law that should NEVER be policed...abusive parenting sure, but proper disciplining you child...dumb. presuming you agree then essentially you have to agree with my whole point which is, this cop that was "supposedly just doing his job" was in fact policing bad (easy) law that shouldn't be accepted just because we're told to, and furthermore, he should be able to use his discretion to decipher whether the 'speeder' was in fact endangering himself or others.

Their was nothing gained from him taking away the license of good responsible rider in this case, apart from getting some coin for Helen and putting a message across that they know better...Bugger that for a joke.

. Now I must make myself clear that I am not saying that we should all go out there and go as fast a we like, I'm merely pointing out the FACT the speed alone does not kill, and in fact is usually the lesser of the evils when considering other contributing factors in an incident. If a bad driver (or even a good one that has made a poor decision) were held responsible for their actions on a daily basis then we would develop a different attitude to everything...sure their are people who are stupid and will never be responsible on the roads but this is not a defense to not do this, as we have these people on the roads now! I personally love to go fast, whether it be on a bike, flying a plane or driving a car and I know that speed is not bad...its good. I'm looking forward to track day in Taupo to give my ZX9R a crack at the track and will push it harder than I ever will on the roads because the situation allows it, But 100kph on our roads is not a magical 'safe' speed...speed does not kill!

essay over.
PS if anyone is wondering how I can write such a long reply in work hours, I've got the day off

. Furthermore, I'm very very passionate on this subject...if you want to hear a lecture, just bring up this topic and disagree with me

**Joni** · 23rd July 2007, 13:21

I have just spent over an hour cleaning up more than 200 non topic related posts... as mentioned yesterday this will be the last time that so much time is spent moderating this thread.

For all newer members this thread is a resource for people to post about the Thurday night ride, where it will be, weather conditions etc... it is not a general discussion thread. Discussions can be done in the discussion thread.

http://www.kiwibiker.co.nz/forums/sh...ad.php?t=33348

If this thread goes off line again, I will be merging the two threads and calling this failed experiment over.

**slinky** · 23rd July 2007, 13:32

other thread seams to be closed?? i was just reading the discussion about passing and have this to add. Im about 10 pages behind. So, sorry if its already been said.

Personally i don't like people slowing down and pulling to the side for me to pass. Yes its most likely my fault because i have made them uncomfortable by following too close.
Its just that sometimes in the panic of having a "faster" rider behind you, you might not take the time to think about the safety of passing at that point - [whether you are out of their way or not]. Shit road surface, other traffic or it could be that I/they don't wnat to pass and then have to break hard, right in front of you for the corner coming up.
Basically the rider themselves should decide when to pass. NOT anybody else.
Long story short - Just keep riding, You will be passed when they decide.
Its an organised group ride, if they care that much about coming accross slower riders, they would go riding on their own and not join us.

**jrandom** · 23rd July 2007, 13:36

Originally Posted by slinky

Its just that sometimes in the panic of having a "faster" rider behind you, you might not take the time to think about the safety of passing at that point...

Yeah, wot 'e said.

Me, I always try to start out at the back of rides. I'm not fast, someone always needs to take on the job of riding sweep, and if I get too bored I can always squirt ahead for a bit of a play.

On the open road, everyone should just focus on riding a safe line at their own pace. Anyone who wants to go at Warp 9 has the options of foregoing group riding, staying at the front of the pack and waiting at intersections, finding low-risk spots to pass, or just sucking it up and looking at the scenery for a change.

The onus should never be on slower or less experienced riders to move aside.

**ManDownUnder** · 23rd July 2007, 13:41

Originally Posted by Karma

There's a difference between being able to ride in the dark and wet, and wanting to.

I felt, after much consideration, that staying home with the heater on, eating sweet and sour chicken and watching a film was a better way to go.

Yeah me too. Riding at night is ok but having done it enough I prefer scenery and warmth vs cold, dark and riding following a trail of tail lights.

**Biggles08** · 24th July 2007, 10:15

Wilco Joni... thanks for your hard work

**NinjaNanna** · 24th July 2007, 10:56

Originally Posted by Joni

I have just spent over an hour cleaning up more than 200 non topic related posts... as mentioned yesterday this will be the last time that so much time is spent moderating this thread.

For all newer members this thread is a resource for people to post about the Thurday night ride, where it will be, weather conditions etc... it is not a general discussion thread. Discussions can be done in the discussion thread.

http://www.kiwibiker.co.nz/forums/sh...ad.php?t=33348

If this thread goes off line again, I will be merging the two threads and calling this failed experiment over.

Would it be possible to put an auto-purge setting on this thread so that all posts (except the original post) are deleted 1 or 2 weeks after posting?

Should think that that would address your issue once and for all

**ManDownUnder** · 24th July 2007, 11:01

Originally Posted by Biggles08

Wilco Joni... thanks for your hard work

Ditto.......

**slinky** · 24th July 2007, 11:06

Originally Posted by Joni

I have just spent over an hour cleaning up more than 200 non topic related posts... as mentioned yesterday this will be the last time that so much time is spent moderating this thread.

For all newer members this thread is a resource for people to post about the Thurday night ride, where it will be, weather conditions etc... it is not a general discussion thread. Discussions can be done in the discussion thread.

http://www.kiwibiker.co.nz/forums/sh...ad.php?t=33348

If this thread goes off line again, I will be merging the two threads and calling this failed experiment over.

I can't see all new people coming to page 18 of this thread and reading this.