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Nothing is going to beat homeschooling by good parents.
Face it, half the teachers couldn't pass the exams they are adjudicating.
A parent who is willing to do what it takes to see the child rise will far outstrip the will of any 40 thousand a year government slave.
I have known a few good teachers, but have had too many years of my life wasted by the rest of them to let my children suffer the same indignity.
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My daughter is at a private school. I can think of many arguments for, and many arguments against. At the end of the day I can afford to send my daughter to a school where she can get taught more than Te Bro, and learn more than the haka. Despite the common misconception that private schools are good for dumping your kids at and forgetting them, I find instead they put a tremendous amount of responsibility back on the parent. They're always keeping you advised of your daughter's progress, or lack of, and keeping the pressure on you to keep the learning up at home. Sure, public school parents can do that as well, but does the school actively apply pressure to them to do it? Not the parents I've spoken with.
I still believe that a good kid will succeed despite any odds. But if the prat's are gonna go out and trash daddy's car while they're high, I'd rather they did it in an 5-star crash rated late-model Merc than a mid-80s Corolla.
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Bullshit.Originally Posted by SimJen
When are you supposed to do this magical education?
After 8 at night when you get home, or before you leave for work at 7am?
KIndergarten? Crock of shit that is. Glorified babysitter/CYF enforcement officers.
You offering?
Every kid is different.
No way in hell my 5/nearly 6 year old would have been reading, writing, or doing math before he started school. Boys shouldn;t start school until 6 anyway, and in case anyone thinks different you are not legally required to start school until 6. No other Western country starts boys at 5 at school. They produce more testosterone between 4 and 6 than they do during their teenage years.
He's now exceeding expectations, no doubt due to some good teachers and some good help from home, but making blanket statements about what kids should be achieving by a given age is rubbish. The Primary school down the road is Decile 10 so it attracts teachers who give a shit and our involvement with them has been constant and challenging for both parties.
Son 2 will be watched and we will make a decision about private or public depending on how much trouble he causes. He's too friggin clever for his own good and gets bored easily plus he's huge and has no fear. Funniest moment to date is biting the Mob member's son on the arse at the McDonalds playground in the Hutt - after pulling his pants down first. Mongrel Mob Jr (about 10) had attacked Son No. 1 so No. 2 sprang to his defence. Mongrel Mob Dad pissed himself.
Son 3 will probably got to Montessori.
Last edited by James Deuce; 8th August 2006 at 17:57.
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My father enrolled me in a private school, as did his father before him. I received a more thorough education then most of my peers, my teachers took more interest in my learning then those of my peers, and we never lacked the proper tools or access to them during my education. Our gymnasium was extremely well supplied with the best equipment including full a full weight room, our photography department was exceptional, our class rooms were well appointed, our music department was huge. However, the level of education 'used' is for the most part up to how the student applied him/herself. The advantage once again in a private school was the teachers took an active interest in how the student performed.
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Sorry Jim, I gotta disagree there. I'm not a parent but I started school in Trinidad at the age of 3 and a half and I was streets ahead when I went back to the uk and started school there.
I understand that each child is different but there's no better way than to stimulate the little bastards than with learning, as long as it's challenging and enjoyable.
In my, not so humble and highly under rated opinion, public (read PRIVATE) schools are for academic snobs and it's bullshit that an A grade from a public schools should be viewed more favourably than an A grade from a state school.
i seriously looked at private school (st peters), and my son was accepted to form 1 there. at the time i was investigating in some criminal matters, and the responses from staff, parents and students between the local public school (cambridge high) and st peters cemented my decision not to send him to st peters. i have not had a single regret for doing so. financially it has allowed me to spend $$$ on the kids doing family learning stuff (travelling overseas - he's currently on exhange in germany (he's 14) and we travel as a family overseas every year)i make sure i go to camp, coach sport, know all his teachers. i'm also a long standing BOT member (chair) at my daughter's school, which has a couple of bi-lingual classes. she is a top student there, as was my son, and from my experiences in the schooling environment, i believe that it is more often than not, 90% how the parent involves them selves in their kids education. a private school does take a bit of that away, as although they may report card back to you, they tend to be a bit more removed from the parent's input - i guess if you're paying $16k a year then you should expect that to happen (simjen - st peters is $11-16k a year for day students, $20-25 for boarders.)
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Any teacher that doesn't give a fuck how a student is performing or applying themselves should be sacked. I made it quite clear to some of my teachers that I thought they were fuckwits when they showed a lack of interest (and one particular polish prick of a professor at uni who was only there to further his name in the research world) and told them to fuck off and get a job that would suit them better.
Funnily enough my headmaster and dad agreed with me.
and jim, i appreciate your comments about not being there due to work committments, but i have been a shift worker and stayed doing so - principally for the kids - so my kids had plenty of input from me and my wife and could read write and do maths before they went to school.
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It worked for you.
If a man is alone in the woods and there isn't a woke Hollywood around to call him racist, is he still white?
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So if you had the choice between sending your children to a high or a low decile school which would you choose?
Just imagine they are both fairly close yet the lower decile is closer.... would you travel that extra bit because the decile rating is better? or even the reputation is better? What factors influence which school you send your children to? (primary)
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My dad brought up me and my two sisters on his own from the ages of 2, 6 and 8 whilst working 24 hour shifts. He managed to make sure that we were getting the education we deserved at home and school.
3 out of 3 with honours degrees.
I got the bad attitude, the girls got the looks.
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I'm perfectly aware that most people think that me and my wife are terrible parents.
We do our best. On our own. We have no help, but plenty of people are happy to point out our shortcomings. A couple will come up with real help when they can.
Plenty of people will lecture about how things should work. Very few do anything to make it happen.
IMO opinion there is nothing a Private School can do that a Public School can't - except tailor programmes for kids that need it. Public Schools suit sociable kids who enjoy social interaction, and largely complying with a programme that suits the majority. Private Schools suit kids that need a good kick in the arse and plenty of input from the School and Parents. Public Schools are horribly under-resourced to help anyone outside the norm, under and over achievers both.
If a man is alone in the woods and there isn't a woke Hollywood around to call him racist, is he still white?
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Jim, I'm in no way criticising your parenting, just relaying my experience and opinion on educating little shits like I once was.
As for the resourcing of state schools, I do a fair bit of engineering work for schools around auckland and I don't think it's necessarily a lack of resourcing, merely how the fuckwits in charge spend it.
I've never seen so many fucking flat panels and computer workstations in schools before! Not that technology isn't important but there seems to be a need to look flash before really considering basic educational needs.
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I'm not complaining about the resources. I'm saying that if you aren't average at everything, most Public Schools are at a loss. It doesn't matter what decile the school is or how many flat panels or tennis courts they have, if you excel at anything, you're not going to get the support you need. If you struggle, then they'll find something easy for you to pass instead of kicking you in the bum.
If a man is alone in the woods and there isn't a woke Hollywood around to call him racist, is he still white?
i take issue with you twisting my words jim - i never said that, nor did i intend to imply it. most parents do their best, on their own, and try to influence their kids to be positive contributing members of society.
i have been told that i am a terrible parent too - i take my kids out of school, put pressure on them to perform, encourage them to have a job, make them marshmellow and nutella sandwiches. i just do what i do and get on with it.
being a terrible parent is in the eye of the beholder. worry about YOUR influence, not other people's concern (or percieved concern)
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