Private vs public schooling?

[The_Dover]

How the fuck do you know anything about skools farm boy???

Did you even go to skool?

[Deano]

I may only be a tradesman,but my mother was bloody proud of me for doing it.

Mate, I know some bloody talented, clever and intelligent tradesmen.

I also know a few (supposedly) well educated people with Uni degrees etc, that have no common sense, people or social skills, and don't want to work.

[The_Dover]

I also know a few (supposedly) well educated people with Uni degrees etc, that have no common sense, people or social skills, and don't want to work.

Piss off, I do want to work.

Just in a cushy well paid job.

[sAsLEX]

that have no common sense

Something a lot of people lack and is incredibly hard to teach.

[Deano]

Piss off, I do want to work.

Just in a cushy well paid job.

You can't have it both ways - or is your tight arse for rent also 'cushy'.

[The_Dover]

You can't have it both ways - or is your tight arse for rent also 'cushy'.

If I had the cushy well paid job then I'd only be renting it out on special occasions.

[Deano]

I went to both private and public schools.

Both very different environments but I couldn't say which was better in terms of 'edumacating me'.

My baby sitter (before I started school) did however give me a huge head start by spending hours reading with me. When I started primary school I jumped a class ahead and was still in the top echelon of spellers.

Despite this, I ended up on the dole for 9 months at one stage in my early twenties. I put this down to a lack of direction and goal setting.

While the formative years are very important, so too is guidance and direction from 5th form onwards. This is where parents are very important.

How many people have flunked Shool C, bursary etc and gone on to be very successful because they had a goal and were dedicated to achieving it?

[Deano]

If I had the cushy well paid job then I'd only be renting it out on special occasions.

Just to keep your 'eye' in ?

[Indiana_Jones]

Should it not be a choice though? Is forcing culture on people appropriate, I agree we should learn where we come from in school but if you want to learn the language there is plenty of oppurtunity to take up that challange and go somewhere to do that.

I would disagree if Maori became a comulsory part of the ciricculum *see speeling aint my strong poitn*. It should be a choice as forcing it on people is just like they way they were forced not to use it.

Thxs, that's my point.

And there's nothing wrong with tradesmen, they make some good $$$

-Indy

[James Deuce]

Should it not be a choice though? Is forcing culture on people appropriate, I agree we should learn where we come from in school but if you want to learn the language there is plenty of oppurtunity to take up that challange and go somewhere to do that.

I would disagree if Maori became a comulsory part of the ciricculum *see speeling aint my strong poitn*. It should be a choice as forcing it on people is just like they way they were forced not to use it.

Yes, "forcing" Maori culture is appropriate in NZ. Spend at least a year overseas and you'll be shocked at how much Maori culture is an integral part of your daily life in NZ.

It should be compulsory, it shouldn't be onerous. I haven't seen an argument that isn't couched in fearful terms. You'll lose nothing. You won't change sexuality. You'll gain a set of tools that allow you to learn another language, and another, and another. My Norwegian Sister-in-law is conversationally fluent in 3 Germanic languages and two romance languages, because it was compulsory during her schooling, and valid for the territory in which she lived. European languages have no immediate worth for Kiwis. Maori is an Asia-Pacific language and has more in common with SE-Asian languages. Surely that's an important building block in learning the regional languages of the region we live in?

I'm disgusted that young Kiwis are still ashamed of the cultural make up of NZ and see no Irony in continuing the bigoted practices of a Colonial power that collapsed in a heap in 1947.

So who has the greater content of Maori? Private or Public schools?

[Motu]

And learning Maori will help you if your kids have Bionicles...

I have no problem with Maori being pushed a bit more....it's part of who we are,the language and history are important.But living next door to them is messy and noisy.....

[SPman]

I wish I'd had Maori as an option instead of 5 yrs of Russian and German!
Seems strange - my great great grandfather was fluent in Maori, my great grandfather was reasonably OK, but by my grandparents time, it was actively discouraged! I know bugger all and wish I knew more, but my kids have a smattering, so perhaps the pendulum is swinging back again.
What is it that people here are so anti an indigenous language that CAN be spoken in many areas, but think its great to learn some european language that they'll probably never get a chance to use?

Nothing wrong with public schools - its the staff and the school ethic that make all the difference.
I went to Rangi and my boys to New Plymouth Boys High and Ive no complaints with either!

[sAsLEX]

Spend at least a year overseas and you'll be shocked at how much Maori culture is an integral part of your daily life in NZ.

Ok, going to England for a year next year so will see though I doubt it.

It should be compulsory, it shouldn't be onerous. I haven't seen an argument that isn't couched in fearful terms. You'll lose nothing. You won't change sexuality.

You wont loose anything? Do you have one of these time inventing machines? As most struggle with getting the current cirricullum across, where are the extra teaching hours going to fit in? Do you suggest we drop english or science to make up the time?

You'll gain a set of tools that allow you to learn another language, and another, and another. My Norwegian Sister-in-law is conversationally fluent in 3 Germanic languages and two romance languages, because it was compulsory during her schooling, and valid for the territory in which she lived.

And how is it valid in our "territory" no one uses the language in every day language except for a few isolated communities.

European languages have no immediate worth for Kiwis. Maori is an Asia-Pacific language and has more in common with SE-Asian languages. Surely that's an important building block in learning the regional languages of the region we live in?

The world is incredibly small these days so a European or Asian language would be of use to a future employer, Maori unless dealing with a tiny fraction of the worlds population aint.

Māori or Te Reo Māori, commonly shortened to Te Reo (literally the language) is an official language of New Zealand. An Eastern Polynesian language, it is closely related to Tahitian and Cook Islands Maori; slightly less closely to Hawaiian and Marquesan; and more distantly to the languages of Western Polynesia, including Samoan, Niuean and Tongan.

I'm disgusted that young Kiwis are still ashamed of the cultural make up of NZ and see no Irony in continuing the bigoted practices of a Colonial power that collapsed in a heap in 1947.

I aint ashamed of the cultural make up of NZ. But it aint just us and them, Maoris. Do we learn Scottish that makes up a large part of our heritage, or any of the other cultures that are now an integral part of NZ. Who owns your local Dairy? Who works in the local fish and chip shop? It aint a bi-cultural society anymore.

So who has the greater content of Maori? Private or Public schools?
Private at a rough guess, there is a few full imersion schools around and ones that do push the language which is good, and will keep the language alive for those who are passionate about it, so why add it to the mainstream

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[Indiana_Jones]

I concur

-Indy

[750Y]

..When are you supposed to do this magical education?
After 8 at night when you get home, or before you leave for work at 7am?

I dissagree aslo jim...when ever you spend time with kids they are learning...their minds are evolving...taking things in....its no effort to be teaching a kid to read with a bed time story or teaching them to count with the toys in the bath,etc....doesn't take alot...below school age children [be it below 5 or 6] have incredible active brains and there uptake is amazing....especially if what your doing with them has a level of interest for them...think how quickly they would learn to count if it was counting lollies?

I agree Cowpoos that many ordinary situations can be used for a fun learning opportunity..
I can also see where Jim2 is coming from, no preschool age kid should be up at 8pm & awake before 7am. he's not saying it can't be done or that he doesn't/didn't do it, just pointing out how hard the reality can be for many parents.

...montessori schooling is brillent for learning impared children...I don't think there is anything in place in NZ that can match it....

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Son 3 will probably got to Montessori.

my 6 yr old did it from age 3-5 & my 3 yr old just started.
i agree with you guys it's really good in many respects..