Mapp 90 Day Bill

[chanceyy]

hi workers

Just wondering if anyone realises the implications of the 90 day bill that Wayne Mapp Fr National is endorsing.


He is stating that this will create more jobs ................. Tui add .. yeah right


Essentially the 90 day bill means if you change jobs for example for the first 90 days you will have no rights that other workers are protected by.

The only way this will create more jobs is that Employers will have 90 days within to let you go therefore you can get to 89 days .. they can sack you .. no reasons, no protection. Of course they then could employ someone else for 90 days ... creating more jobs but no stability, no rights..

ok let the flaming begin :

[James Deuce]

And the retaliation if he does get it passed is: Don't vote National next election. Even better cast a protest vote for ACT - they no longer appear to be quite as right wing as National.

[chanceyy]

And the retaliation if he does get it passed is: Don't vote National next election. Even better cast a protest vote for ACT - they no longer appear to be quite as right wing as National.

did you go to Rally at Govt grounds yesterday Jim ?? Love the bullshit chant

[James Deuce]

I was actually going to head down, but failed at the last hurdle. I got mixed up in the Falan Dafa march instead.

[Grahameeboy]

This does seem crazy......I always thought there was a 6 month probationary period but this 90 day thing does leave employees open to potential abuse...I mean what if someone has been out of work a while.....mother going back to work......they will always need a time of adjusting to working again and they are vunerable.

Strange place NZ sometimes.

[chanceyy]

I was actually going to head down, but failed at the last hurdle. I got mixed up in the Falan Dafa march instead.

Grins it was fab... he tried to address the crowd ... just kinda failed to be heard ... I hear that National have their conference in chch this weekend .... hmmmmmm and perhaps another rally down there for the workers to voice their discontent, So all you Christchuch workers .. would be good to turn out .. this affects all workers

[chanceyy]

This does seem crazy......I always thought there was a 6 month probationary period but this 90 day thing does leave employees open to potential abuse...I mean what if someone has been out of work a while.....mother going back to work......they will always need a time of adjusting to working again and they are vunerable.

Strange place NZ sometimes.

It is crazy .. no other word for it ..

But National are experts at taking away workers rights .. & yes those workers changing jobs or those trying to enter the work place will be vulnerable

& yes the current systems regarding probationary period (depending on individual work sites) do give both employer and employee rights ..

[Grahameeboy]

Sometimes I think that the EEC is better when NZ does stuff like this...and that is saying something............trubs is that politically NZ is small and it always seems to be a male testostorone thing with MP's here trying to flex their muscle...............apart from that (as I have made obvious) I know f'all about politics..does my head in

[Colapop]

It was bullshit. They had Thorndon Quay coned off for miles and I couldn't get a park except for the expensive $5/hour ones. What a lot of shit. There were only half a dozen buses turn up and the rest of the parks (enough for 20 buses) weren't even used.

As for the bill. It's not saying that workers will have no rights - that's just left wing unionist propaganda. It's saying that if you're a shit worker then they can terminate you and get someone who will be able to do the job. Too many shit workers are being carried by businesses because they cannot fire them. If you're shit at your job all an employer can do is 'encourage' you to improve even if you have performance based clauses in your contract. Sure there will be employers that will abuse the act but those are the ones that are abusing thier staff now.

[Hitcher]

The Trade Union Movement has spoken. Any discussion of this topic is pointless. Despite the fact that it hasn't even got to Select Committee stage yet.

[Grahameeboy]

It was bullshit. They had Thorndon Quay coned off for miles and I couldn't get a park except for the expensive $5/hour ones. What a lot of shit. There were only half a dozen buses turn up and the rest of the parks (enough for 20 buses) weren't even used.

As for the bill. It's not saying that workers will have no rights - that's just left wing unionist propaganda. It's saying that if you're a shit worker then they can terminate you and get someone who will be able to do the job. Too many shit workers are being carried by businesses because they cannot fire them. If you're shit at your job all an employer can do is 'encourage' you to improve even if you have performance based clauses in your contract. Sure there will be employers that will abuse the act but those are the ones that are abusing thier staff now.

Yes that is true, however, as I said in my post there are vunerable employees out there who may not perform well whilst they fit in......it is a fine line I guess but I still think this Bill sucks..............

[chanceyy]

Sometimes I think that the EEC is better when NZ does stuff like this...and that is saying something............trubs is that politically NZ is small and it always seems to be a male testostorone thing with MP's here trying to flex their muscle...............apart from that (as I have made obvious) I know f'all about politics..does my head in

Politics generally does my head in too ... I would like to base my vote on informed decisions however since we know all politicians are full of bullshit .. i then try to decide which party will do more for the workers

................................... and all the workers know its not the torries who support them

[James Deuce]

It's not the large businesses or even the medium ones I'm worried about Col, it's the small businesses who will exploit this loophole to fill a need during a busy period without any intention of retaining the worker, good or useless.

There are less shirkers employed than the Employers Federation would have us believe and a whole lot more Employers with no scruples than most of us would believe.

[acewheelie]

The 90 day trial period is NOT new, it got taken out when the ECA came in.
Having had twenty odd years of experience on both sides of the equation I can say its not such a bad thing. It gives the employee an incentive to get to grips with the job, and if unsuitable the employer still has an out.
With the cost of employing staff being very high, and a shortage of qualified people an employer is MORE LIKELY to give some one not quite upto speed the chance to try to do the job.

In a market of high unemployment (like when I first went out into the work force) it could have been seen to be a bad thing, but we didn't know any better and I ever got sacked in a 90 day period and don't know anyone that was.
Don't always take what you see in the press or through the unions at face value, sometimes you get oly the part of the story they want you to hear.

By the way, Waynes not a bad guy either, LOL

[chanceyy]

It was bullshit. They had Thorndon Quay coned off for miles and I couldn't get a park except for the expensive $5/hour ones. What a lot of shit. There were only half a dozen buses turn up and the rest of the parks (enough for 20 buses) weren't even used.

As for the bill. It's not saying that workers will have no rights - that's just left wing unionist propaganda. It's saying that if you're a shit worker then they can terminate you and get someone who will be able to do the job. Too many shit workers are being carried by businesses because they cannot fire them. If you're shit at your job all an employer can do is 'encourage' you to improve even if you have performance based clauses in your contract. Sure there will be employers that will abuse the act but those are the ones that are abusing thier staff now.

You sound like your in management !!