My maori thread

[Patrick]

I have an Irish name, my dad was a jockey but I am 6'2 and my parents are Swedish... and you're confused?

[Skyryder]

So if we are all decended from immgrants then aren't we, all of us who were born here, native and therefore, given that reasoning, entitled to 'native rights'? What then is a race or species that orginates in a particular place called? To my understanding, something like the Moa which are a native species. I'm confused.

I'm not too sure what you mean. There appears to be two parts to your question.

1 Native rights
2 Orogin of species.

2 has nothing to do with Native or Indigenous. For example Maori origins are speculitive. Nothing certain is known. Plenty of theories but certainty?, That's another ball game.

Native and Indigenouse are places of birth or in the case of flora and fauna their natural habitat.

I will look at your question two ways.

1 Native Rights as in all New Zealanders. Under both civil and criminal law yes we all have the same rights.

2 Native Rights as in Maori as a people, there are Treaty concerns that only applie the Iwi signatories. This is why urban maori are not party to the Treaty.

Maori 'tradionally' do not see themselves as a singular race or people but a culture with common themes (moko etc). Their predominate identity is their Iwi.

Hope this helps

Skyryder

[marty]

....and our weapon was love....

*sniff* that's bootiful motu....

[andrea]

that's a viewpoint - but outright derogitory name-calling can't really be classed as 'valid criticism', can it;

the brickbats Finn got were, to my mind, more for his bigotted language than for his viewpoint ............ as you yourself said

oops the top of my post was a supposed to be a quote

[Finn]

I have an Irish name, my dad was a jockey but I am 6'2 and my parents are Swedish... and you're confused?

Hej Patrick. Ursakta att jag sager men det kanske betyder du ar adopterad.

[Patrick]

Hej Patrick. Ursakta att jag sager men det kanske betyder du ar adopterad.

"Hey Patrick" and the last "bet you are adopted?" is all I can get...unsure what you just called me tho...

[Finn]

"Hey Patrick" and the last "bet you are adopted?" is all I can get...unsure what you just called me tho...

Translation would be: Sorry to break this to you, but perhaps you're adopted.

[candor]

Yet "pakeha" seem to often be sen by Maori as one homogenous group!

Wouldn't it be unifying if we all agreed we all originated from 2 common monkeys in Africa before the great diaspora - oh, we could always name them Adam and Eve.

Tarianas choice of language is interesting - very Kiwi "we need money to FIGHT the abuse". Toughness and violence permeates our culture. Where else would you get boxing matches for suicide prevention etc. We're RUGGED, meybe thats why we're buggered!

I think its the Nordic countries where prisons are full of their worst offenders - hardcore bicycle thieves.

[sAsLEX]

And the Te Kuiti area is viKING COUNTRY...

From what I have read "Taranaki" as it wasn't know as then was smoking as they ventured up the west coast so they continued on to Northland....

[Waylander]

A planned $30 million Maori-themed development in northern Texas called Kiora Park is cultural theft, maori say.

The proposed 250-apartment development in Plano, near Dallas, is being promoted as having a New Zealand architectural theme "by incorporating elements from homes in that region".

WTF? Should have read this sooner cause guess what town I lived in before coming to NZ.

Never even heard of it before and something that big would have been everywhere. Not even my mates that still live there have said anything.

[Waylander]

Good point. I can't think of another indigenous race which has been treated as well - even if it is rather late. The Inuit are gaining similar recognition to Maori. But the dominant attitude towards American Indians and Australian Aborigines is shocking. They aren't even regarded as human beings by some red-necks.

Some rednecks but very few, says the redneck with Navajo bloodlines...

[thehollowmen]

And the doctrine of Habeas Corpus is alive and well today as an example of its relevance.

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Really? Habeas Corpus? I think that's been falling to the wayside lately. Overseas and in NZ.

Yes we have some laws made by long dead men. Many laws have also been created based on religious doctrine, which arguably has been one of the most successful forms of population behavor control.

I think question would be better interperated as: Do we have to abide by a *contract* that long dead people of our ethnic group (or not) signed years ago?

[Colapop]

I have an Irish name, my dad was a jockey but I am 6'2 and my parents are Swedish... and you're confused?

And that Tall black milkman that visited so often (the one that your mother said was your 'uncle') had no part in this?

[spudchucka]

Post 1.

I see that you have found your capital "M" for at least some of your post. Does that mean you now have 50% respect for the Tangata Whenua. Why the change of heart? Aren't they all just digusting, fat, useless, good for nothing animals?

[mattp]

Maori that are born here are not immigrants. Their ancestors as did mine emmigrated.

This is something that I think a lot of people need to understand. People over here in England always talk of the Maori people being the first people of NZ. I do always put them correct that there were people before them and Maori people came from the Islands to the North of NZ.

Anyway, that is history and NZ needs to look at todays children and the world that is growing with millions of children that are pushed harder and helped more to do better in life.

I would love it if people could get over the UK V Maori history problem and see that NZ kids need to get along before our country grows large splits because of race