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Thread: UK lobbying groups speak out against "External Throttle Control"

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    Quote Originally Posted by Krusti View Post
    A more disturbing prospect is the gps traking of vehicles. I could live with a bike size / power restriction way easier than my speed being tracked 24/7!

    Must investigate how to cloak my bike
    could always just disconnect the GPS tracker... or wear a tinfoil helmet.
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    The can cap my bike the day they cap all Holdens, Fords, Subaru's, BMW's, Mercedes etc etc.....

    Why do they need to go over 65mph?

    Shouldn't they get capped too then. Or is this just some idiot journalist wasting space?

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    Quote Originally Posted by idb View Post
    Why doesn't the gummint simply empower some agency to punish those that exceed the speed limit?
    Imposing fines would be one method, and could be used a ready source of income to assist in funding the management of this fine country.
    Nah never happen, take away police resources.

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    It would be an intersting excuse, no bikes cannot actually go over 65mph, your radar must be wrong!
    Then I could get a Kb Tshirt, move to Timaru and become a full time crossdressing faggot

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    How's about the new 1098 with it's DATA LOGGING facility....would the data log be admissable in a court of law?

    As for speed limiting bikes, lets say they were reasonably generous and capped everything at 200km/hr. There's no point leaving the standard gearing, so imagine the shove you'd get out of a ZX14 or similar geared for "just" 200klicks...

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    Quote Originally Posted by kiwifruit View Post
    EDIT: and some sort of device that limits acceleration to a sensible level
    Well I know my bike already has one of those, its called a Timing Retard Eliminator. Very easy to bypass too.

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    Quote Originally Posted by Dafe View Post
    Or is this just some idiot journalist wasting space?
    Yerp. When they can't find any real news to report on, they have to resort to sensationalising something in order to justify their pathetic existences.
    I doubt it will happen while we are still using internal combustion engines.

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    Quote Originally Posted by Shadows View Post
    Yerp. When they can't find any real news to report on, they have to resort to sensationalising something in order to justify their pathetic existences.
    I doubt it will happen while we are still using internal combustion engines.
    Ahem,

    A part-time journalist "justifying his pathetic existence" speaks...

    In the UK they have been running a serious trial of speed-limiting technology - I think it is in the Leeds area (northern England).

    A number of vehicles - 25 springs to mind as the figure (I cannot recall if a bike is included) have been fitted with 'black-boxes' which are subject to external control - in other words, a satellite picks up a signal which says how quickly you are going, relates it to the speed limit for the area... and cuts the power to bring you back down to the legal limit.

    This IS an ongoing test - and could become law. And if it happens here, don't be surprised if it starts to appear elsewhere.

    As I said earlier, this is bad enough for cars, but on a bike? Your speed falls away in a corner and you run wide... either hello Mr Ditch, or even worse, hello Mr Very Large Truck In The Other Lane.

    Remember, the car set won't think about this as it doesn't happen to them.
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    Quote Originally Posted by Bob View Post
    Ahem,

    A part-time journalist "justifying his pathetic existence" speaks...

    In the UK they have been running a serious trial of speed-limiting technology - I think it is in the Leeds area (northern England).

    A number of vehicles - 25 springs to mind as the figure (I cannot recall if a bike is included) have been fitted with 'black-boxes' which are subject to external control - in other words, a satellite picks up a signal which says how quickly you are going, relates it to the speed limit for the area... and cuts the power to bring you back down to the legal limit.

    This IS an ongoing test - and could become law. And if it happens here, don't be surprised if it starts to appear elsewhere.

    As I said earlier, this is bad enough for cars, but on a bike? Your speed falls away in a corner and you run wide... either hello Mr Ditch, or even worse, hello Mr Very Large Truck In The Other Lane.

    Remember, the car set won't think about this as it doesn't happen to them.
    Obviously, present company excluded. Unless you are one of the ones I was referring to that likes to play things up for the sake of a news story!

    Those people running the trials are simply justifying their existences as well. If governments were that keen there would be speed limiters on all vehicles already, this would be easy to do without the need for expensive satellite tracking. I can't think of a single country where all vehicles are already limited to a particular speed, so I can't see it flying.

    I don't think the auto manufacturers would allow it either. Money talks.

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    Quote Originally Posted by Shadows View Post
    I don't think the auto manufacturers would allow it either. Money talks.
    I think there is a very sound nail hit on the head. Too much money is generated from revenue from those guys. Also, can you imagine the very same politicians proposing this sort of thing allowing their cars to be affected by speed regulators?

    The main worry though, is that cars don't get slowed "As they have lots of internal safety features" (like A-columns that stop them from seeing anyone at the corner of their vision!), but bikes are open and not featuring all those lovely things they want to fit us with, like airbags (which would just blast us off the seat!), or leg protectors (which would stop us from getting our legs away from the bike if we did have an off). So by slowing us down to no speed at all, they can crow "Look, are we not a clever government? We have protected all those bikers by making sure they can only go slowly"... all the time forgetting there is no proven link between speed an accident rates and that by slowing us down in the wrong place, we are more likely to have an accident as stated above.

    Scary, scary concept.








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    If every single can of fly spray was 'deleted' from the planet and removed. vanished one day. The world would be over run with swarms of flies. Remove everything in this planet that could kill a human being and we would be overcrowded in days.

    Why worry about little black box's? If anyone was stupid enough to start building a vehicle like that, they would need stupid people to buy it too.

    ..oh wait a minute, Americans still exist dont they? Damit. We're screwed.
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    Quote Originally Posted by Jantar View Post
    come on, lets be realistic here. No-one really needs a bike bigger than 125 cc for commuting on. And at the same time 4 wheeled vehicles, having double the number of wheels to propel, will bw limited to 250 cc.
    Quote Originally Posted by Pumba View Post
    Hey I can see the logic involved in that statement, who wants to bet it has never been raised in a serious conversation
    Because it is logic it will never come to a politicians mind

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    Quote Originally Posted by Shadows View Post
    I don't think the auto manufacturers would allow it either. Money talks.
    In a backwater like our fine country, where there's no auto manufacturing industry, I suspect that the gummint would be more worried about how they would replace the speeding ticket revenue stream than company tax / GST from the new car industry.

    The obvious solution is to make us all stupiderer and increase speeding fines by 1,000%

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    Kneeslider article:

    According to ZDNet, Legislators over in the UK are trying to come up with a law that will install GPS speed governors in motorcycles. The GPS knows what road you’re on and what the speed limit is so the motorcycle is prevented from going any faster with some sort of electronics to keep you from exceeding the posted limit. You would think they would have better things to do but if some busybody first attacks the smaller group of motorcyclists and is successful, cars will surely follow. It was another government in Europe, Germany if I remember correctly, where a legislator took issue with motorcycle top speeds eventually leading to the speed limiting agreements among manufacturers. I hope this new effort is quickly defeated but you never know. If anyone in the UK has more details about this effort, let us know.


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    How can I fit this technology to my XS650?
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