Aussie Attitudes

**Street Gerbil** · 30th August 2006, 12:06

Three cheers for Aussies!

**Big Dave** · 30th August 2006, 12:22

Three cheers for whatever-his-name is Tuquiri!

hmmmm - didn't think so............

**Paul in NZ** · 30th August 2006, 12:28

"We are happy with our culture and have no desire to
change, and we really don't care how you did things
where you came from. By all means keep your culture
but do not force it on others."

Isn't that what the abbos said when Cptn Cook and co sailed in?

;-)

But fair enough... The seperation of the church and the state is a basic fundemental of 'our' society..... It's not just the muslims that need to remember that, Pastor, sorry, bishop brian should as well...

**Big Dave** · 30th August 2006, 12:36

Originally Posted by Paul in NZ

"We are happy with our culture and have no desire to
change, and we really don't care how you did things
where you came from. By all means keep your culture
but do not force it on others."

Isn't that what the abbos said when Cptn Cook and co sailed in?

And probably what normal Muslims have been saying since the Crusades.
Bring back John Lennon.

**John Banks** · 30th August 2006, 14:32

Originally Posted by Hillbilly

This idea of Australia being a multicultural community
has served only to dilute our sovereignty and our
national identity. As Australians, we have our own
culture, our own society, our own language and our
own lifestyle. This culture has been developed over
two centuries of struggles, trials and victories by
millions of men and women who have sought free-
dom. We speak mainly ENGLISH, not Spanish,
Lebanese, Arabic, Chinese, Japanese, Russian, or
any other language. Therefore, if you wish to be-
come part of our society, Learn the language!

Most Australians believe in God. This is not some
Christian, right wing, political push but a fact be-
cause Christian men and women, on Christian
principles, founded this nation, and this is clearly
documented. It is certainly appropriate to display
it on the walls of our schools. If God offends you,
then I suggest you consider another part of the
world as your new home, Because God is part of
our culture.

I think right about here is where it turns from "common sense" bullshit to just plain fundy bullshit.

**Hillbilly** · 30th August 2006, 14:37

Yeah, but both PM and his deputy are Pentecostals!

**kickingzebra** · 30th August 2006, 14:49

Two sides to the fundamental sword master banks.
Belief, like sexuality, cannot be divorced from the human psyche.
To attempt to homologate all differences of peoples, would be to prevent people from being people.
Hence we are entitled to think of it as fundy bullshit, but were the shoe to be on another foot, I believe we would be crying as long and as loud.

One persons fundamentalist, is simply anothers pillar of society.

Accepting differences unquestioningly (a leftist traight) is not neccesarily contributing to humanity, nor is it conducive to living and letting live.

Not everyones mind works in such a fashion.

My only other thought, Words from politicians can be, and all to often are, far too cheap. For a nations sentiment to be changed, some action must follow, and I am not suggesting turfing anyone with a different skin tone down the road, however, though the sentiment has been (wisely IMO) expressed, action is not guaranteed to follow.

**Hillbilly** · 30th August 2006, 14:57

What started this whole "anti-Muslim" sentiment here was a series of violent gang rapes in Cronulla by Lebanese men on Australian women.

Following their conviction and sentencing, Lebanese men decided to beat up all the white surf lifesavers in Cronulla Beach, as it wasn't "their beach" and they (the lifesavers) "didn't belong in Cronulla". Then the riots followed.

I don't know how much of this is reported in the NZ Press, but that's what's happenning here. Bashir getting let-off for the Bali bombings hasn't helped either.

**kickingzebra** · 30th August 2006, 15:00

Ohhh, don't get me started on Bashir...
Again, the fundamentalist filter comes out...
To his people (and apparently his countries judiciary) He is an upstanding pillar of society.

**John Banks** · 30th August 2006, 15:03

Originally Posted by kickingzebra

Two sides to the fundamental sword master banks.

Don't get me wrong, I severely dislike Muslims as well. Just like I severely dislike Christians. No unconditional acceptance here, I think they're all bloody bonkers.

And that letter is just playing shy on the message of "If you don't like our God, piss off".

**kickingzebra** · 30th August 2006, 15:14

See the problem with the argument though?
It assumes a rational middle ground, which clearly cannot exist, just as rational argument, and all the forces of science will not likely prove or disprove any other religious disposition.

We assume our own viewpoint to be some moral high ground, for whatever reason, but it simply cannot be so.

Mankinds collective understanding of "the facts", in any debate, is shaky by itself, so the likelihood of our personal version of the facts being more solid is extremely slim.

Goes for all, self included. There will be an abjective "Right" but we won't be coming to grips with it in a hurry.

**Lou Girardin** · 30th August 2006, 15:27

Trust the bloody Aussies to copy us. We did it first to the Chinese at the turn of the 20th century.

**SPman** · 30th August 2006, 18:03

Originally Posted by Hillbilly

What started this whole "anti-Muslim" sentiment here was a series of violent gang rapes in Cronulla by Lebanese men on Australian women.

Following their conviction and sentencing, Lebanese men decided to beat up all the white surf lifesavers in Cronulla Beach, as it wasn't "their beach" and they (the lifesavers) "didn't belong in Cronulla". Then the riots followed.

I don't know how much of this is reported in the NZ Press, but that's what's happenning here. Bashir getting let-off for the Bali bombings hasn't helped either.

And you can trace that back to the Wanker of a Police Head, who wouldn't act against the Lebanese gangs when they moved in to the area in the 90's - they would scream - prejudice!racism! and he backed off so fast it was embarrassing.
Now, Cronulla is effectively under the Lebanese "mafia" umbrella - they think they own the place and effectively do.And, as usual, the second you mention the word "Lebanese", they all scream prejudice, racism - you name it, and the PC f**king powers that be, fall over themselves not to "offend " any of them.
Its f**cking pathetic!

**Hillbilly** · 30th August 2006, 19:54

Originally Posted by SPman

And you can trace that back to the Wanker of a Police Head, who wouldn't act against the Lebanese gangs when they moved in to the area in the 90's - they would scream - prejudice!racism! and he backed off so fast it was embarrassing.
Now, Cronulla is effectively under the Lebanese "mafia" umbrella - they think they own the place and effectively do.And, as usual, the second you mention the word "Lebanese", they all scream prejudice, racism - you name it, and the PC f**king powers that be, fall over themselves not to "offend " any of them.
Its f**cking pathetic!

it's all about votes. Those PC politicians love their cushy jobs, and I bet none of them live in Cronulla. Redfern maybe, but not Cronulla.

It's really quiet where I live, close to Morisset, but mind you, there's suddenly been an influx of Kiwis

, I wonder why?? Must be the low rent, and crazy wages - eg. $20/hr weekdays for a storemen.

**Big Dave** · 30th August 2006, 20:13

Originally Posted by Hillbilly

it's all about votes. Those PC politicians love their cushy jobs, and I bet none of them live in Cronulla. Redfern maybe, but not Cronulla.

It's really quiet where I live, close to Morisset, but mind you, there's suddenly been an influx of Kiwis

, I wonder why?? Must be the low rent, and crazy wages - eg. $20/hr weekdays for a storemen.

The markets haven't turned it into a metropolis yet?
I moved to Auckland from Wangi a while ago.