the progressive workers' strike

[Postie]

so now they are going to return, but some of them are just fucking fat and lazy and want another long weekend, they should be fired.

While most of the distribution workers locked out by supermarket giant Progressive Enterprises for four weeks returned to work today, a small group of them, still angry at their treatment, have refused to return until Monday.

[ghost]

Well

I guess today's outcome proves that unions are great for workers rights .. they may have not got the wording of a collective .. but damn well got the pay parity & increases to have everyone on the level playing field,

what a fantastic result, & this sends a positive message to those overseas major corporation who think they can come to NZ & abuse our workers ..

whoooooo hoooooo

Did they get there 4 weeks locked out paid for? if not the any increase in wages and parity need to be offset by these losses. it may take them years to catch up with the money lost in the strike and then its time to go on strike for the next round of pay rises (losses).

Bet the union officials didnt stop getting paid for this period. one of the many resonse I dislike the leeches, when its the lives of joe worker that get the pain.

[Dooly]

I've always had this thing for Laile Harre.........something about her........hmm, dunno.

[chanceyy]

Did they get there 4 weeks locked out paid for? if not the any increase in wages and parity need to be offset by these losses. it may take them years to catch up with the money lost in the strike and then its time to go on strike for the next round of pay rises (losses).

Bet the union officials didnt stop getting paid for this period. one of the many resonse I dislike the leeches, when its the lives of joe worker that get the pain.

well last nite I was at one of the locked out workers house (doing hair for his daughters birthday as promised)

they are extremely happy with the result the support of the union, community, & other workers vindicate this was the right move for them. He has been recieving support from the union in paying the major bills & the food donations have been helping to feed the family.

Does he think he has gotten a rough deal .. NO... of course union officials are paid .. still their salary ... the huge hours & support they have provided have not been paid in money but in satisfaction. One union organiser has been with the workers Day/night put her family life on hold to be along side the workers so do not think for one minute that they are nice & warm rolling in the dough while the workers are out in the cold. As this person relayed last nite without the union support & esp the organisers it would have made the struggle harder, but once the community & other workers got behind them it made them even more resolute to see it through to the end ..

now the hard part .. healing any bad feeling ... on both sides

[chanceyy]

so now they are going to return, but some of them are just fucking fat and lazy and want another long weekend, they should be fired.

While most of the distribution workers locked out by supermarket giant Progressive Enterprises for four weeks returned to work today, a small group of them, still angry at their treatment, have refused to return until Monday.

& most will be going back over the next three days as per their current shift rotation.

a small group .. geeeeee wonder if this is one or two ... cause most are happy its over & ready to get back to work ..

[Pixie]

Well

I guess today's outcome proves that unions are great for workers rights .. they may have not got the wording of a collective .. but damn well got the pay parity & increases to have everyone on the level playing field,

what a fantastic result, & this sends a positive message to those overseas major corporation who think they can come to NZ & abuse our workers ..

whoooooo hoooooo

The company was willing to negotiate a pay increase at the beginning.
The sticking point was the union's insistence on a company wide agreement.
It wasn't about getting more pay for the workers,it was about the union putting it's own self interest and quest for more power before the workers' interests.

Laila Harre ( Wealthy Jandal heiress ) is just another defective pinko power freak

[oldrider]

The company was willing to negotiate a pay increase at the beginning.
The sticking point was the union's insistence on a company wide agreement.
It wasn't about getting more pay for the workers,it was about the union putting it's own self interest and quest for more power before the workers' interests.

Laila Harre ( Wealthy Jandal heiress ) is just another defective pinko power freak

Yes, I agree, when the dust settles and Laila moves on to newer more interesting play scenes, the workers will still be scratching their itch and wondering what in the name of hell was that?
They will suddenly realise they have gained absolutely nothing but Laila's pay and conditions never even saw a blip and "they" paid for it.
All they got was a good financial bloody suckers! John.

[oldrider]

& most will be going back over the next three days as per their current shift rotation.

a small group .. geeeeee wonder if this is one or two ... cause most are happy its over & ready to get back to work ..

Hey there Chance, do you really believe that everyone in the workplace is "equal" and provides equal service. Equal rights, yes but equal productivity? adding equal value?
A problem I have with unions is that they preach equality to the employer but do not practice equality within their own ranks. IE how equal was Laila? did she get paid while the workers were not being paid.
That strike need not ever have happened and some of those workers will probably never recover the set backs they faced during the disruption to their income/ outgoing commitments.
Unions are a self interest group, employers value their workers more than the Unions value their members and both are dependant on them for their survival yet you automatically think the employers are the only ones that are abusing them! Have a bloody good look, who takes their money and who gives them money.
I have been there too, I have not just been an employer, I have been very involved in the union movement, even orchestrated strike action myself, it is not a winning formula for the workers, believe me! Just another point of view for you to consider. Cheers John.

[mstriumph]

Nah, I bet she's just thought of the colour-chart and pfffmph! he's done.

nahhhhhhhhhhh - chances are she didn't even have enuff time to realise the ceiling needed painting

[chanceyy]

Hey there Chance, do you really believe that everyone in the workplace is "equal" and provides equal service. Equal rights, yes but equal productivity? adding equal value?
A problem I have with unions is that they preach equality to the employer but do not practice equality within their own ranks. IE how equal was Laila? did she get paid while the workers were not being paid.
That strike need not ever have happened and some of those workers will probably never recover the set backs they faced during the disruption to their income/ outgoing commitments.
Unions are a self interest group, employers value their workers more than the Unions value their members and both are dependant on them for their survival yet you automatically think the employers are the only ones that are abusing them! Have a bloody good look, who takes their money and who gives them money.
I have been there too, I have not just been an employer, I have been very involved in the union movement, even orchestrated strike action myself, it is not a winning formula for the workers, believe me! Just another point of view for you to consider. Cheers John.

ahhh John thats the beauty of differing opinions, I too have been on both sides, & banding together can be either good or bad for the workers, its dependant on several factors I believe ..

1/one is do the delegates have the best interests of the members or are they a self serving lot ?

2/ are they respected by both members and management ?

some delegates I have met are only out for what they can get for themselves , they do not have the respect of management which makes it harder for the members to be taken seriously.

I along with a lot of other delegates out there are not a self serving lot & we are definately respected by mangement, sure as stated before there has to be give & take on both sides, but I still support unionism I have seen the positive results when it works .. & if you have seen the other side .. & given some of your comments .. I have to wonder what was missing in the actions you were a part of ?

[chanceyy]

The company was willing to negotiate a pay increase at the beginning.
The sticking point was the union's insistence on a company wide agreement.
It wasn't about getting more pay for the workers,it was about the union putting it's own self interest and quest for more power before the workers' interests.

Laila Harre ( Wealthy Jandal heiress ) is just another defective pinko power freak

ummm no the company did not want pay parity .. all three sites would have not been on the same level playing feild .. so yes the union wanted a collective agreement but what they have negotiated is as good as .. within two yrs all sites will have pay parity, & all on the same agreement just without the wording of a collective ..