Anyone see this??

**James Deuce** · 16th June 2004, 10:56

http://www.stuff.co.nz/stuff/0,2106,2942417a11,00.html

Maybe there is hope after all.

http://www.stuff.co.nz/stuff/0,2106,2944355a10,00.html

I was wrong. There is no hope. It's just a bigger beauracracy.

**vifferman** · 16th June 2004, 11:16

Interesting. Could be good, or could be yet another rebadging exercise.
Regardless, many of the eedjit bureaucrats will still be in their jobs, so it doesn't necessarily signal an end to inane rules and regulations.

I look forward to tomorrow's media release....

**Hitcher** · 16th June 2004, 11:23

Better to rely on one powerful king than on many little princes.
Jean de La Fontaine (1621 - 1695)

**kerryg** · 16th June 2004, 11:26

Originally Posted by firestormer

Interesting. Could be good, or could be yet another rebadging exercise.
Regardless, many of the eedjit bureaucrats will still be in their jobs, so it doesn't necessarily signal an end to inane rules and regulations.

I look forward to tomorrow's media release....

Get this: 580 people work for LTSA. 580!!!! What do they do all day I wonder except plan ways to expand.....next 680 staff...see how they are thriving

That's the thing about the state sector. In the state sector a measure of your success is how your department has grown...so they look for ways to expand their scope (e.g.make more regulations)..so that they need more people....who can make more regulations...yadda yadda

Private sector: you are encouraged, even forced screaming and kicking, to shrink and streamline....because of the profit motive and answerability to owners that the State Sector lacks.

580 people. How many people does it take to change a lightbulb (1 to hold the lightbulb, and 579 to tun the house round and round)??

**James Deuce** · 16th June 2004, 11:29

Originally Posted by kerryg

Get this: 580 people work for LTSA. 580!!!! What do they do all day I wonder except plan ways to expand.....next 680 staff...see how they are thriving

That's the thing about the state sector. In the state sector a measure of your success is how your department has grown...so they look for ways to expand their scope (e.g.make more regulations)..so that they need more people....who can make more regulations...yadda yadda

Private sector: you are encouraged, even forced screaming and kicking, to shrink and streamline....because of the profit motive and answerability to owners that the State Sector lacks.

580 people. How many people does it take to change a lightbulb (1 to hold the lightbulb, and 579 to tun the house round and round)??

LTSA appears to be targeted by this move, given that they were the organisation singled out in the article as the most likely to experince a reduction in staffing. Hopefully Andy can go back to making Blues Clues in Canada.

**kerryg** · 16th June 2004, 11:47

Originally Posted by Jim2

LTSA appears to be targeted by this move, given that they were the organisation singled out in the article as the most likely to experince a reduction in staffing. Hopefully Andy can go back to making Blues Clues in Canada.

I was listening to Morning Report the radio on the way to work this morning. Sean Plunket interviewd the Director of LTSA (must be Andy's boss) and chewed him up and spat him out in little bits over the recall of 300-odd Mitsubishi cars. This Director said LTSA relies SOLELY on the NZ importers (in this case Mitsubishi NZ) to notify them of defects so that a recall can be made. So...if Mitsubishi doesn't tell the LTSA, the LTSA doesn't know. How's that? It defies belief!!! That Dogs and Lemons character with the hyphenated name was interviewed and claims that the details of the fault were public knowledge a year ago in Japan. LTSA claims that Mitsubishi New Zealand were never told by their headquarters. mmmm I wonder who's got his head stuck firmly up his arse???

Maybe some of those 580 LTSA guys should monitor published recalls internationally rather than rely on the vehicle makers to come clean themselves. All slightly surreal

**James Deuce** · 16th June 2004, 12:01

I know!! They could use that Interweb thingy to check for recall notices. What's that search locomotive thingamabob?? Google!! That's it!!

**riffer** · 16th June 2004, 12:07

Originally Posted by Jim2

What's that search locomotive thingamabob?? Google!! That's it!!

If its like any other govt department it will be blocked, like trademe :disapint:

**pete376403** · 16th June 2004, 12:09

Mitsubishi Motors NZ didn't import those cars. Technically they don't even know they are here.
This would be the downside of the open slather anyone-can-import-shitboxes-from-anywhere regime that is in force at present. Everything is great until it goes bad, then blame the one organisation that had nothing to do with it.

**Hitcher** · 16th June 2004, 12:27

Far be it for me to leap to the defence of the public sector but there are some slices of rotting meat in above posts to which I have been attracted like some big blowfly.

Firstly: "Success" in the public sector isn't measured by a department or agency's ability to grow. It's based on your ability to deliver your agreed outcomes (accepted that some state sector outcomes are a bit dodgy). State sector agencies also operate to considerably higher degrees of accountability and scrutiny than the private sector.
Secondly: "Success" in the private sector isn't (or shouldn't be) based solely on lowest cost imperitives -- it's about (or should be about) meeting customer needs at a profit.
Thirdly: There are no state sector directives about what firewalls can screen. I know many agencies that allow full and unfettered access to the web anywhere, anytime.

[Dismounts hobby horse and returns it to stable]

**Motu** · 16th June 2004, 12:42

Originally Posted by pete376403

Mitsubishi Motors NZ didn't import those cars. Technically they don't even know they are here.
This would be the downside of the open slather anyone-can-import-shitboxes-from-anywhere regime that is in force at present. Everything is great until it goes bad, then blame the one organisation that had nothing to do with it.

True - those car's wouldn't even be on the road in Japan,their use by date has ended and they were destined for the crusher - but Kiwi's with money in their eyes bring them in and then try to hang the blame on Mitsubshi because after all they made them eh? Hot potatoes end up belonging to the one with the biggest pockets.

**Hitcher** · 16th June 2004, 12:55

Originally Posted by Motu

Hot potatoes end up belonging to the one with the biggest pockets.

Your metaphor is almost a haiku, but I still don't get it??

**James Deuce** · 16th June 2004, 12:59

Originally Posted by Hitcher

Thirdly: There are no state sector directives about what firewalls can screen. I know many agencies that allow full and unfettered access to the web anywhere, anytime.

I can confirm that. The Government Dept that I help support from an IT perspective has firewall policy set at the discretion of the IT Manager.