It appears the Otara attack was unprovoked

**Jonathan_D** · 6th September 2006, 23:19

"Riki Mafi died in the early hours of Tuesday morning after being beaten with a baseball bat in the Otara town centre on Saturday night.

Detective Senior Sergeant Pizzini said it appeared the attack was unprovoked."

NZ herald 1.00pm Wednesday September 6, 2006.

WTF is goin on there? A couple of tough guys with nothing better to do than kill someone?

Did anyone see this guy's mother on TV? Basically she said that gangs = cowards... "stand alone" she said.

I agree. At least there's a chance then, however slim it might be.

**Beemer** · 6th September 2006, 23:23

Second time in less than a month where someone minding their own business got whacked and killed. Looks like this kid was a decent sort - and I bet the accountant or lawyer or whatever he was who was hit with a baseball bat while walking home wasn't scum either.

There was a time when this sort of violence was only seen in America. Glad we don't have that kind in our neck of the woods - and by kind I am not implying anything racial, just the type who resorts to this kind of violence.

**Jonathan_D** · 6th September 2006, 23:33

There was a time! it might have been before mine... but you see the old black and white (no pun intended) history of New Zealand and everyone seemed to be getting along fine.

When did it become a gang of people murdering someone for no reason?

Too little to do? Maybe not, most people are asleep at the time this happened.
Was it P?
Or was it a pathetic attempt at machoism in a world which pretends not to have time for the weak?
But look at einstein, annan, even bloomin hitler... these guys were'nt exactly Mr Universe. They used their intellect to get noticed.
When do people become so angry that this happens?

This thing really bugs me. I've walked around all parts of Auckland both in groups and alone and and nothing has ever happened... gives those south of the Bombays a good reason not to like the place... also gives those who live here a good reason to think about why this happens...

**StoneChucker** · 7th September 2006, 01:20

It is really sad when a life (any life) gets wasted, and it's even more unfortunate if it's a case of a good person being in the wrong place at the wrong time. Why should there be any wrong places!!!

I can't almost tell you what may have happened: Guy walking down the street, happens to look at the "tough" "guys" hanging around causing trouble. Gang group take offense at being looked at (I'll get back to this), turn on their scumfaced staunch attitudes and harrass the guy, telling him they'll "step him out". They'll shout things like "do you wanna go c**t", and then lay into him, in a fair 3 or 4(+) to 1. Then when they've sealed his fate, they can walk off all staunch & proud, thinking that they're like the scum they see depicted in shitty rap/RnB music videos.
Fcuk, they probably think there's nothing wrong with it, dad does it so it must be right.

I have never understood why certain groups get aggressive, confrontational and plain violent if you just look at them. They take it as an insult or fight catalyst, and then their culture takes over, overiding any shred of decency they may have had. Getting arrested is a flipping joke, repeat offenders just bounce in and out of prisons, social aid and rehab programs. How does one recognise a person they know while out walking (or anywhere for that matter) without looking at peoples faces briefly.

**LilSel** · 7th September 2006, 02:09

I had a wee run in whilst out working overtime on monday night (driver/security for meter reader on night reads)... A group of kids with nothing better to do decided to take exception to myself and colleague and approx 10 of them (teens and young kids) walked out and stood on the road, partially blocking it (all had weapons of some kind, huge sticks, whips and a golf club!!) I cruised up towards them slowly... waiting for them to move... well... then the verbal abuse started, some of the kids would have been no older than 9!! and the foul language was just unbelievable. When they started approaching the car, I seriously thought

'Oh shit... this isnt going to be good'!...I saw a chance (gap) to get outta there and threw the 4x4 into gear and took off. Now I have to fill in 3 pages of paperwork bout it too

What is really disturbing is whilst finishing our run we saw no less than 15 other kids (in small goups) roaming around with what seems to be the latest trend, whips of some kind. (anybody else noticed this??!?!).Certainly doesnt make one feel safe, we were just minding our own business and doing our job. The incident mentioned above occured at around 6.30pm, it wasnt even dark!! where are the parents?? do they know wtf their kids are doing?? and what they are carrying with them??!

As with what happened with the young kid 'Riki', innocent people are being caught in the crossfire!! something needs to be done about it... and fast!!

**kro** · 7th September 2006, 06:50

I too think this is sad, and having been subject to some of the "gangsta" rap music that's currently out there, I cannot begin to think how messed up some of these kids are nowdays. Don't get me wrong, the music plays a part, but as has been told in countless threads of this nature...... where are the parents?, what are they doing while their children wave golf clubs and abuse people doing their jobs?.

Gangs are on the most part quite pathetic, very vocal and tough in the pack situation, but alone, 99% of them are sniveling cowards if confronted.

I stopped for gas in East Tamaki a few years back while on the FZR, and when I came out, two "gang" youths were standing beside my bike, and when I went out to the forecourt, I hoped they were just admiring the bike, but they wouldn't move, ended up getting lippy, then actually made a direct threat with a knife, demanding money, and keys to the bike. I swung my helmet in a wide upwards arc, and put the "knife boy" on his arse, out cold, then with enough adenaline to fuel a jet fighter pumping thru me, I ripped into the second kid (verbally), who was maybe 15 or 16 , who ended up crying.

Not 60 seconds before that, the two of them were "the man", but standing alone, they became little scared children.

**jazbug5** · 7th September 2006, 07:07

I know that it's hard not to generalise about 'types' of people when this sort of topic is discussed, but I will just relate in brief a story told to me by a friend recently, because it made me really think.

She was leaving a club with some friends; there were too many of them to all pile into the car that was picking them up, so she told them to go, deliver the first person, and then come back for her. When they had disappeared from view, she was suddenly catapulted into a dark alley by some guy who had appeared to be walking past.
There was a group of guys waiting there. They proceeded, in a very orchestrated and well prepared manner, to attempt exactly what you might imagine they had in mind.
Fortunately for her (and decidely not fortunately for them) she is a real fighter; as she fell to the ground, she found a glass bottle which she... shall I say, performed 'radical genital surgery' with on the nearest guy..?

The thing is, these were not 'yobs' as you might imagine them to have been. They were 'well to do professional types', and not local. Her feeling was that this was a weekend 'sport' to them, that they left their own area together to go to market towns like this one, seemingly safe in the knowlege (or so they thought) that they weren't the type to be suspected, and it appeared they were very well practised, used to acting as a team.

In fact, as she ran out of the alley in the confusion, it was a group of 'hooded yobs' that ran over to help her out, and chased the attackers away.

Interesting, no?

**WINJA** · 7th September 2006, 07:22

Originally Posted by Beemer

Second time in less than a month where someone minding their own business got whacked and killed. Looks like this kid was a decent sort - and I bet the accountant or lawyer or whatever he was who was hit with a baseball bat while walking home wasn't scum either.

There was a time when this sort of violence was only seen in America. Glad we don't have that kind in our neck of the woods - and by kind I am not implying anything racial, just the type who resorts to this kind of violence.

I DUNNO , I FEEL LIKE BASHING A FEW LAWERS MYSELF

**98tls** · 7th September 2006, 07:29

Originally Posted by Beemer

There was a time when this sort of violence was only seen in America. Glad we don't have that kind in our neck of the woods - and by kind I am not implying anything racial, just the type who resorts to this kind of violence.

Wont be long before you do.........even in little old oamaru we have gangs of the little fuckers running around causing mayhem......i reckon its the end result of the mary poppins mentality...if they had there arses kicked when the shit started we would all be better off i reckon....

**Storm** · 7th September 2006, 07:34

Fuckin oath- the little shits know there wont be consequences if they get caught, and have never had the line drawn for them growing up. Bring back capital punishment!

**sAsLEX** · 7th September 2006, 08:45

These people have not progressed beyond primitive society, they still live in the pack mentality as they lack the individual intelligence to go it alone, so they form these "gangs" and mindlessly follow american rapping culture.

And what are police doing?! Suggest you wear neutral colours! what is a nuetral colour FFS! If it was my area and I was mayor I would ask the police to stop this then if they couldn't ask the Government to bring in the Army, courage fades in the face of gunfire!

**sAsLEX** · 7th September 2006, 08:50

They should round up these little dickweeds the country over, set a curfew for the young people or something, and if caught off to do Limeted Service Volunteer (6 weeks of learning basic military training marching discipline and the like and having to deal not with a friendly constable who is powerless but with the god like Sergant Majors who to them are god) course in Burnam or Wiberia in winter I say!

**Patrick** · 7th September 2006, 08:56

Beamer and 98TLS... gotta break it to you... these "Street Gangs" are here already and have been around for some time. The Pizza delivery guy killed by the 14 year old is a prime example and that was a while back now. We see it all the time, particularly in South Auckland, but actually in any shitty scumbag area of any town, including here in the Naki. Most choose, conveniently, not to see it for what it is.

West side and East side are popular down here, the Crips and all the other ethnic kiddie gangs in Auckland are many and varied.

Giving them media attention only increases the advertising/recruiting drives for them.

**SARGE** · 7th September 2006, 09:00

its all lies .. you cant kill anyone if you dont have access to a gun..at least thats what the stinkin hippies have told me for years..

maybe they were wrong and mankind is by nature a predatory animal who will find a way to kill someone, whether it be with a baseball bat, a samuri sword or by folding them up in a suitcase and chucking them in the harbor...

funny thing is .. all the recent murders were either very old, very young or set upon by a gang..

stinks of cowardice of the highest calibre..

go New Zealand..!!!