It appears the Otara attack was unprovoked

[Beemer]

Yep. The hoodies were out in force in Levin at 2:00am Saturday morning. Shuffling the streets with random purpose...

What the hell were you doing in Levin at 2am in any case, Hitcher?

And Zed, don't worry about me, us atheists can cope on our own. And yes, we are having a party when our lovely Brethren neighbours (who made a false 111 complaint about us) move out in a few weeks. Here's hoping some normal decent non-hypocritical people move in.

[Hitcher]

What the hell were you doing in Levin at 2am in any case, Hitcher?

About 55kmh. Boom tish!

Somewhere there is a thread titled "And so, into the night". That should explain much...

[The_Dover]

let's here what answers you've got to bringing peace and harmony to this world? Believe me I won't ridicule you if you provide a sincere answer.

I respect your opinion Zed, even if the basis of it is about as far fetched as Harry Potter.

My solution? Get them all stoned with free access to Wendy's.

[Macktheknife]

Generally yes. Walk in their shoes for a while and let me know what you think of them.
Here's my take:
They do a bitch of a job, with no ability to be supported by the public for the letigious reasons in my previous post, they're under-resourced, working shifts which are proven to damage family and other social relationships and have budgets continually being cut at the direction of those with a profit motive.
Actually... I take back my first comment about them doing a good job. I think they do a fucken wonderful job.
I'm not kissing arse to get out of a ticket or three. I'm saying that if we want society's shit to be fixed we have to enable to cops to do their jobs. Maybe we (as society) have a responsibility to help them... ever wonder about that one?

Actually yes... and I totally agree with you.
They are the representatives of what our society has agreed as the laws to be upheld.
Don't just knock this without thinking about it folks, if you didn't partake in your responsibility to the process you really can't bitch about it.
Ultimately we all are responsible for monitoring where society is going, if you dont like it, do something about it.
Every time there is a serious crime what do you hear from the police? "We are looking for help from the public, someone must have seen something"
And they are right, the public are usually the source of information about who did what to whom and where they can be found.
Get involved, don't be one of those who just says "oh but who has time for that?" and then bitches when everything is messed up.

[Patrick]

Never ceases to amaze me how while patrolling neighbourhoods, everyone sees the cop car cruising through, but when shit happens in their own street, no one sees anything....

[sAsLEX]

working shifts which are proven to damage family and other social relationships

I disagree, working shifts allows people to spend more time with their kids, ie during the day when they are little and when at school they can pick them up some days unlike those that work 8 - 6 or whatever is the norm these days.

Sure you miss the odd occassion or BBQ etc cause you work on a sat night occasionally but life is what you make of it and how you adapt to your cicumstances.

Dad has shift worked his entire life basically and loves it. Some dont and thats like everything in the world some will find the way things happen as disagreeing with them, Dad HATES with a passion day work and gets grumpy and depressed when on that cycle, for others its the other way around.


Whats this New World Order you speak of Zed!?

[Fishy]

You will never get rid of these little fuckers from society, its just gonna get worse to especially with Uncle Helen running the country.

[Hitcher]

"Little fuckers" have always, like death and taxes, been one of life's inevitable truths. Past generations have fretted about what to do with them, exactly as we are now. Most will grow up to be big fuckers. Such is life.

[Patrick]

"Little fuckers" have always, like death and taxes, been one of life's inevitable truths. Past generations have fretted about what to do with them, exactly as we are now. Most will grow up to be big fuckers. Such is life.

But now we have Tazers and semi autos... heading toward USA Gangstas and USA Policing, perhaps????

[Finn]

But now we have Tazers and semi autos... heading toward USA Gangstas and USA Policing, perhaps????

Hope so. If we removed great numbers of little fuckers with bullets, it would be very difficult for them to breed more little fuckers.

Or a more humane method is mass sterilization but poor, dead people can't vote for Helen so this'll never happen.

[Paul in NZ]

"Little fuckers" have always, like death and taxes, been one of life's inevitable truths. Past generations have fretted about what to do with them, exactly as we are now. Most will grow up to be big fuckers. Such is life.

Civilised societies start wars every generation to soak up the worst of them.. Curse this decade of peace I say!

[The_Dover]

Civilised societies start wars every generation to soak up the worst of them.. Curse this decade of peace I say!

Yeah, let's start a war with Fiji. We might be able to beat them, if we're lucky.

[Finn]

Yeah, let's start a war with Fiji. We might be able to beat them, if we're lucky.

Yeah, put the maoris on the front line! After all, it's their country they'll be defending. We're just visiting.

[Lou Girardin]

But now we have Tazers and semi autos... heading toward USA Gangstas and USA Policing, perhaps????

Your bosses could start by taking the revenue men off traffic, and send them out on night shift with the rest of you and start using 'disorderly' and unlawful assembly charges with as much enthusiasm as you write speeding tickets.
And you have my approval to tazer any fucker who's wearing a hoodie and mumbles.

[Animal]

Generally yes. Walk in their shoes for a while and let me know what you think of them.

Here's my take:
They do a bitch of a job, with no ability to be supported by the public for the letigious reasons in my previous post, they're under-resourced, working shifts which are proven to damage family and other social relationships and have budgets continually being cut at the direction of those with a profit motive.

Actually... I take back my first comment about them doing a good job. I think they do a fucken wonderful job.

I'm not kissing arse to get out of a ticket or three. I'm saying that if we want society's shit to be fixed we have to enable to cops to do their jobs. Maybe we (as society) have a responsibility to help them... ever wonder about that one?

My turn to rant...

I find it very sad that the cops have lost the respect and authority they deserve, instead being relegated to mere revenue collectors. The focus of their purpose in modern society seems to have been shifted from law enforcement for the collective protection of society to law enforcement for collection of revenue. This is through no fault of theirs, because I'm sure they don't take pride in this shift. With very few exceptions, these guys (and girls) would've joined the cops because they believed that they could and wanted to make a difference - and make a real contribution to society. However, they've become toothless dogs in a society where the offender has more rights than the cops.

Consider our youth... it's no surprise that the hooligan fringe don't give a shit about authority, because they're untouchable. They can't (or won't) be spanked at home, the schools aren't allowed to discipline then, and law-abiding society can't touch them because the law protects them, despite their delinquency. Try to aprehend the shit tagging your fence and you're guaranteed to face an assault charge, while the smug little bastard laughs all the way out of being held accounbtable for his actions.

Where do the youth learn right from wrong, or about social responsibility? Or more importantly, where do they discover the relationship between actions and consequences? As a country, we're at the mercy of the criminal, and the people we rely on to catch the taggers, muggers, burglars and the rest of society's diseases and being used in a role inappropriate for the purpose.

Is it not more important to rid the country of random crime, than to meet fine quotas? This morning I saw two cop cars and three cops parked up along Lincoln Road, buggering around with a radar gun. Is this the best utilisation of this already-thin resource?

I think the cops must be the most disillusioned group of people in the county, because the ethics and ideals that they so strongly believed in when they joined up have been deemed irrelevant. Their authority and value to society as law enforcement officers has been completely diluted by the politicians.

But we should be delighted... our country is going down the tubes, but quotas are being met!

Okay, I'm done. Who's next?