The Helen Clark Community.

[Dafe]

I wouldn't have thought advertising the parties is theft. Its just advertising and general expenses. Part of "running a business" I spose. (one we all have shares in!)

How do we know National paid back every cent......did they tell us that ? or
are there some documents to prove thats the case ?

The Attorney General said the money was taken unlawfully - Meaning, that it is considered stolen.

There is a budget allocated for party expenditure during election campaigns.
That money is allocated taxpayer money. The excess $400,000? that was spent was not allocated for the Labour parties overspending. It was our taxpayers money.

The Attorney General is satisfied that the National party repaid all their over-expenditure.

As the crime is now considered theft, A libertarian group is in the process of taking the Labour Govt to court over the issue.

[Finn]

If I laundered $800k of my company's profit, I'd got to jail.

A public stoning of Helen Clark is the only answer. We might even let the bitch live.

[Swoop]

The Attorney General said the money was taken unlawfully - Meaning, that it is considered stolen.

As the crime is now considered theft, A libertarian group is in the process of taking the Labour Govt to court over the issue.

Excellent!

[Dooly]

A public stoning of Helen Clark is the only answer. We might even let the bitch live.

Let her live?
C'mon.

[placidfemme]

A public stoning of Helen Clark is the only answer. We might even let the bitch live.

I don't think thats very fair on the stones... how would you like to be thrown against something that ugly?

[candor]

Speaking of corruption - taito, overspending and speeding does anyone have a theory as to whether political murder is also a feature of this diabolical reign?

I believe Hell is the first PM I have heard people consistently refer to as evil hence I will permit my mind to meander down this path.

Reason I ask opinions re if Labour is "capable", is that I heard a bona fide nutter ranting about an alleged unIntelligence Service hit (isn't Clark their boss). But those I spoke to thought the dirty deed more likely carried out by the pharmaceutical Co.

Naturally our Labour lovin media swept it under the carpet.

The facts. A greenie guy (he's memorialised on the Greens website) did tons of research on 245t poisoning of Taranaki residents by Dow. He had kilograms of files pointing at major damage to local residents. The MOH investigated and said "we don't think so". He was (after many years) about to file a class action or something on behalf particularly of local Maori - some of whom believed 245t had produced much gay population!

He was promptly burnt to a cinder in his house in the middle of the day. The suspicious fire also started seperately in his garage destroying the kilos of papers.

WTF? An interesting case not at all picked up on by our sycophantic media. When I first heard of it I thought the guy telling the story was dreaming. But I checked up and it was all checking out true. He says Govt had a motive as it woulda cost them big.

Or could big business be in cahoots. I'm so nosey - I like resolution to these things. As it puts you off being one to speak up really, thinking you might get roasted for a wrong opinion, activism or whatever. Would she approve it?

[MSTRS:Me]

.... you might get roasted for a wrong opinion, activism or whatever. Would she approve it?

The evil witch is capable of anything, hell, she can even......tell lies......when it suits her.

[Swoop]

Perhaps all future politicians need to have an L plate.
Maybe make them politicians for Stewart Island, and have a mini economy there. The best ones who perform to the highest standards and do the best for that community are then allowed to join in the "real" parliament.

[SPman]

Naturally our Labour lovin media swept it under the carpet.

WHAT! ???????????

Thats the first time I've heard it called that!

[Damon]

some of whom believed 245t had produced much gay population!

HAHAHAHA

[The Pastor]

WHAT! ???????????

Thats the first time I've heard it called that!

Has your head been in the sand? Living under a rock?

[The Pastor]

Speaking of corruption - taito, overspending and speeding does anyone have a theory as to whether political murder is also a feature of this diabolical reign?

I believe Hell is the first PM I have heard people consistently refer to as evil hence I will permit my mind to meander down this path.

Reason I ask opinions re if Labour is "capable", is that I heard a bona fide nutter ranting about an alleged unIntelligence Service hit (isn't Clark their boss). But those I spoke to thought the dirty deed more likely carried out by the pharmaceutical Co.

Naturally our Labour lovin media swept it under the carpet.

The facts. A greenie guy (he's memorialised on the Greens website) did tons of research on 245t poisoning of Taranaki residents by Dow. He had kilograms of files pointing at major damage to local residents. The MOH investigated and said "we don't think so". He was (after many years) about to file a class action or something on behalf particularly of local Maori - some of whom believed 245t had produced much gay population!

He was promptly burnt to a cinder in his house in the middle of the day. The suspicious fire also started seperately in his garage destroying the kilos of papers.

WTF? An interesting case not at all picked up on by our sycophantic media. When I first heard of it I thought the guy telling the story was dreaming. But I checked up and it was all checking out true. He says Govt had a motive as it woulda cost them big.

Or could big business be in cahoots. I'm so nosey - I like resolution to these things. As it puts you off being one to speak up really, thinking you might get roasted for a wrong opinion, activism or whatever. Would she approve it?

LABOUR owns THE MEDIA.

[KATWYN]

The Attorney General said the money was taken unlawfully - Meaning, that it is considered stolen.

There is a budget allocated for party expenditure during election campaigns.
That money is allocated taxpayer money. The excess $800,000 that was spent was not allocated for the Labour parties overspending. It was our taxpayers money.

The Attorney General is satisfied that the National party repaid all their over-expenditure.

As the crime is now considered theft, A libertarian group is in the process of taking the Labour Govt to court over the issue.

Sweet. Yea someone else answered with the same thing as you. Its obvious I don't follow politics

[WINJA]

Fucken Helen The Whore She Gotta Be The Most Evil Bitch Walking The Earth

[SARGE]

The next time you walk past a Somalian or Middle Eastern refugee, please step aside...... Please Respect the First Class NZ Citizen.

in order to become more PC and Socially Responsible.... i did some research on how NOT to offend our Islamic brothers and sisters ....

I am wondering if it would be more polite not to use the urinal in a men's room if someone who I believe is Moslem is nearby at the wash basin. I know that for women the modesty laws are a lot stricter than for most Western women, and I respect Islamic women very much for that. I also don't want to offend Moslems if there is some way I may be acting in an immodest way, unknowingly, around them.


First of all, we must thank you for you concern about the feelings of Muslims and your efforts to find out what may offend them so that you may avoid it.

Islamic sharee’ah includes a number of rules and manners to be followed when answering the call of nature, including the following:

1. Not to face the qiblah (direction of prayer, i.e. the Ka’bah which was built in Makkah by Ibrahim, upon whom be peace, as commanded by Allaah) when urinating or defecating. This is out of respect for the Qiblah and for the symbols and rituals of Allaah. The Messenger of Allaah (peace and blessings of Allaah be upon him) said: “When any one of you sits down to answer the call of nature, he should not face the qiblah or turn his back towards it.” (Reported by Muslim, 389).

2. He should not touch his penis with his right hand when urinating, because the Prophet (peace and blessings of Allaah be upon him) said: “When any one of you urinates, he should not hold his penis in his right hand or clean it with his right hand; and (when drinking), he should not breathe into the vessel.” (Reported by al-Bukhaari, 150).

3. He should not remove najaasah (impurity) with his right hand; the left hand should be used for this purpose, because of the hadeeth quoted above, and because the Prophet (peace and blessings of Allaah be upon him) said: “When any one of you wipes himself, he should not use his right hand.” (Reported by al-Bukhaari, 5199). The Prophet’s wife Hafsah (may Allaah be pleased with her) reported that the Prophet (peace and blessings of Allaah be upon him) used to use his right hand for eating, drinking, making wudoo’, getting dressed, and giving and taking things, and he used to use his left hand for other things. (Reported by Imaam Ahmad; see also Saheeh al-Jaami’, 4912). Abu Hurayrah reported that the Messenger of Allaah (peace and blessings of Allaah be upon him) said: “When any one of you cleans himself, he should not use his right hand, he should use his left hand.” (Reported by Ibn Maajah, 308; see also Saheeh al-Jaami’, 322).

4. The Sunnah is to answer the call of nature sitting, making oneself close to the ground, because this is more concealing, and makes it less likely that spray from one's urine will come back on one’s body or clothes, making them dirty. If a person can be sure of avoiding this, then it is permissible to urinate standing up.

5. A person should be concealed from the sight of others when answering the call of nature. The Messenger of Allaah used to prefer to go behind a rise in the ground or a garden of date palms. . If a person is out in an open space and cannot find anything to conceal him when he needs to answer the call of nature, he should move far away from the other people around him, because al-Mugheerah ibn Shu’bah said: “I was with the Prophet (peace and blessings of Allaah be upon him) on a journey, when he felt the need to answer the call of nature, so he went far away.” (Reported by al-Tirmidhi, 20; he said it is a saheeh hasan hadeeth). ‘Abd-Allaah ibn Abi Quraad said: “I went out with the Messenger of Allaah (peace and blessings of Allaah be upon him) to an open space, and when he needed to answer the call of nature, he moved away.”

6. A person should not uncover his ‘awrah (private parts) until after he has squatted close to the ground, because this is more concealing, as Anas (may Allaah be pleased with him) reported: “When the Prophet (peace and blessings of Allaah be upon him) wanted to answer the call of nature, he would not lift his garment until he had squatted close to the ground.” (Reported by al-Tirmidhi, 14; see also Saheeh al-Jaami’, 4652). If a person is in a (modern) toilet, he should not lift his garment until he has closed the door and is out of sight of other people. With regard to this point and the one before, it is worth noting that the habit of many people in the West and elsewhere, of urinating in a standing position in front of other people in public toilets (using urinals) is something which goes against good manners, modesty and decency, and is repulsive to anyone who possesses sound common sense and wisdom. How can anybody uncover in front of other people the ‘awrah (private parts) which Allaah has placed between his legs to conceal it and commanded him to cover it? The idea that it should be covered is well established among all wise and decent people of all races. It is wrong in principle to build restrooms of this shameful type, where the users can see one another, thus making them worse than some kinds of animals whose habit is to conceal themselves from one another when urinating or defecating.

7. It is also good manners according to Sharee’ah to recite certain adhkaar (supplications) when entering or leaving the toilet, which are quite appropriate to the situation and place. Our Prophet (peace and blessings of Allaah be upon him) taught us that when entering the toilet, we should say: “Allaahumma innee a’oodhi bika min al-khubthi wa’l-khabaa’ith (O Allah, I seek refuge with You from male and female devils).” When leaving the toilet, he should say: “Ghufraanak (I seek Your forgiveness).”

8. He should be careful to remove all impurity after answering the call of nature, because the Prophet (peace and blessings of Allaah be upon him) warned against being careless in cleaning oneself after urinating: “Most of the punishment of the grave will be because of urine.” (Reported by Ibn Maajah, 342; see also Saheeh al-Jaami’, 1202). Ibn ‘Abbaas (may Allaah be pleased with them both) reported that the Messenger of Allaah (peace and blessings of Allaah be upon him) passed by two graves, and said: “They are being punished, but they are not being punished for any major sin. One of them used not to protect himself (i.e. keep himself clean from) his urine, and the other used to walk about spreading malicious gossip.” (Reported by al-Bukhaari, 5592).

9. Any impurity should be washed or wiped three times or an odd number of times greater than three, according to whatever is needed to cleanse it, because ‘Aa’ishah (may Allaah be pleased with her) reported that the Prophet (peace and blessings of Allaah be upon him) used to wash his posterior three times. Ibn ‘Umar said: “We did this too and found it to be healing and cleansing.” (Reported by Ibn Maajah, 350; see also Saheeh al-Jaami’, 4993). Abu Hurayrah (may Allaah be pleased with him) reported that the Prophet (peace and blessings of Allaah be upon him) said: “When anyone of you cleans himself (with stones or similar material) let him use an odd number.” (Reported by Imaam Ahmad; classed as hasan in Saheeh al-Jaami’, 375).

10. He should not use bones or dung to clean himself or wipe away the impurity, rather, he should use tissue, stones, and the like. Abu Hurayrah (may Allaah be pleased with him) reported that he used to carry a vessel for the Prophet (peace and blessings of Allaah be upon him) to do wudoo’ and clean himself after answering the call of nature. Whilst he was following him, he (the Prophet) asked, “Who is that?” He said: “I am Abu Hurayrah.” He said: “Get me some stones I can use to clean myself, but do not bring me any bones or dung.” So I brought him some stones, carrying them in the hem of my garment, and placed them by his side, then I went away. When he had finished, I came back and asked him, “What is wrong with bones and dung?” He said: “They are the food of the jinn.” (Reported by al-Bukhaari, 3571).

11. A person should not urinate into stagnant water, because Jaabir (may Allaah be pleased with him) reported that the Messenger of Allaah (peace and blessings of Allaah be upon him) forbade anyone to urinate into stagnant water (reported by Muslim, 423), and because this makes the water impure and harms those who use it.

12. A person should not urinate by the roadside or in places where people seek shade, because this is offensive to them. Abu Hurayrah reported that the Prophet (peace and blessings of Allaah be upon him) said: “Fear the two things that bring curses.” They asked, “What are the two things that bring curses, O Messenger of Allaah?” He said: “When a person relieves himself in the road where people walk or in the place where they seek shade.” (Reported by Abu Dawud, 23; see also Saheeh al-Jaami’, 110).

13. One should not greet a person who is answering the call of nature, or return a greeting whilst one is answering the call of nature, out of respect to Allaah by not mentioning His name in a dirty place. [Translator’s note: the Islamic greeting is “al-salaam ‘alaykum (peace be upon you)”; one of the names of Allaah is al-Salaam (the Peace)]. Jaabir ibn ‘Abd-Allaah reported that a man passed by the Prophet (peace and blessings of Allaah be upon him) whilst he was urinating, and greeted him. The Messenger of Allaah (peace and blessings of Allaah be upon him) said to him: “If you see me in this state, do not greet me, because if you do, I will not respond.” (Reported by Ibn Maajah, 346; see also Saheeh al-Jaami’, 575). The majority of scholars say that it is makrooh (disliked) to speak in the restroom unnecessarily.