Police chief gets $120 fine for speeding - from stuff.co.nz

**scumdog** · 28th June 2004, 19:27

Originally Posted by Big Dog

How does parking illegally to get subway help the greater good?

If you expect cops to get pinged for rat-shit stuff then expect yourself to do so also, - sauce for the goose is sauce for the gander, - and it goes both ways.

**Mongoose** · 28th June 2004, 19:28

Originally Posted by Big Dog

How does parking illegally to get subway help the greater good?

A hungry cop does not on his work have his mind.
Actually no one can be expected to act/think to their best potential if the are hungry.

**Mongoose** · 28th June 2004, 19:31

Originally Posted by scumdog

If you expect cops to get pinged for rat-shit stuff then expect yourself to do so also, - sauce for the goose is sauce for the gander, - and it goes both ways.

Hell no, what is good for the goose can be farkin disasterous for the gander!!

**Big Dog** · 28th June 2004, 20:17

Originally Posted by scumdog

If you expect cops to get pinged for rat-shit stuff then expect yourself to do so also, - sauce for the goose is sauce for the gander, - and it goes both ways.

I don't expect for them to get ticketed every time. But if they do it why can't I?

I expect no more from the police than they expect from me.

I give them respect and expect it in return.
I obey the law unless, it is less dangerous to break it.
I hate being pulled for speeding 110ish when other people are going faster but not on bikes, just because the policeman in question wants to know about riding cos "I've always wanted to give it a go"
Other than speed infringements I have never had occasion to be on the wrong side of the law.

The above may sound churlish to some, but is an abuse of power by those who should be setting an example.

Worst case in point I have seen a citizen removed from subway to move their illegally parked car so the police could double park and push in at the front of a long line.
This is abuse of power.

I personally see nothing wrong with the occassional forgotten indication, dangerous lane change or even 120km's. But I have a major bone to pick about deliberate law breaking.

**spudchucka** · 28th June 2004, 20:40

Originally Posted by Big Dog

How does parking illegally to get subway help the greater good?

I'm not suggesting they never do wrong, just that a lot of the stuff people moan about is trivial and that there is almost always a bigger picture.

The situation you describe in Subway is almost unbelievable but I'll take you on your word and am happy to say that that sort of thing should never happen.

**Lou Girardin** · 28th June 2004, 20:53

Originally Posted by spudchucka

I'm not suggesting they never do wrong, just that a lot of the stuff people moan about is trivial and that there is almost always a bigger picture.
The situation you describe in Subway is almost unbelievable but I'll take you on your word and am happy to say that that sort of thing should never happen.

I'd like to know more about this 'bigger picture".
What was the 'bigger picture' when I followed a cop at 140+ km/h for the length of the Kaimais Rd, or the car load of cops doing 150+ through the Bombays or even the cop doing 60 in a temp 30 zone on Gt South Rd
And no, they were not on a job.
Is this 'bigger picture' a visual "do as I say, not as I do"?

**Ghost Lemur** · 28th June 2004, 21:00

Q for spud, Marty, etc...

Just a quick side question on the topic of lights and sirens. What is the protocol as far as there usage? I see you both make comments to sometimes not being able to justify using them. Does that mean that you actually have to justify it every time you use them? How is that done? What can be the concequences if you use them wrongly.

I was always under the uninformed position that you were to just use them if you were doing something other motorists can not (ie running reds, speeding, maybe using a bus lane would fit in there), and therefore if you were not using them you were under the same obligations as everyone else to abide by the rules.

I think this view is why so many look at a cop car "breaking the law" without lights and sirens and complain.

**spudchucka** · 28th June 2004, 21:18

Originally Posted by Ghost Lemur

Q for spud, Marty, etc...

Just a quick side question on the topic of lights and sirens. What is the protocol as far as there usage? I see you both make comments to sometimes not being able to justify using them. Does that mean that you actually have to justify it every time you use them? How is that done? What can be the concequences if you use them wrongly.

I was always under the uninformed position that you were to just use them if you were doing something other motorists can not (ie running reds, speeding, maybe using a bus lane would fit in there), and therefore if you were not using them you were under the same obligations as everyone else to abide by the rules.

I think this view is why so many look at a cop car "breaking the law" without lights and sirens and complain.

Its the drivers call if they use lights & sirens and the type of job you are responding to will determine whether they are justified. Anything involving risk to persons or property will justify lights & sirens. Responding to a shoplifter being held by security is still urgent but doesn't really justify using lights & sirens. You have to remember that using these warning devices can cause distraction to other drivers and I have seen people do some really crazy stuff when the flashing lights and wailing sirens come up behind them.

Cops will break the rules going to these less urgent jobs because they don't want the bad guys to get away or for people to sit for ages waiting for police to turn up when they are distressed. By rights they shouldn't do it but they do, each for their own reasons.

**spudchucka** · 28th June 2004, 21:20

Originally Posted by Lou Girardin

I'd like to know more about this 'bigger picture".
What was the 'bigger picture' when I followed a cop at 140+ km/h for the length of the Kaimais Rd, or the car load of cops doing 150+ through the Bombays or even the cop doing 60 in a temp 30 zone on Gt South Rd
And no, they were not on a job.
Is this 'bigger picture' a visual "do as I say, not as I do"?

You aren't one of these sick bastards with scanners that follow the cops around like a little groupie are ya??

**scumdog** · 28th June 2004, 21:44

Spudchuska, you said a mouthful, you aun't lived until you've seen someone spear off the road because they were too busy staring at the "pretty blue $ red lights"

There seems to be a certain section of this site that seems to be haunted by tickets/bad cops/blue and red lights/unfair application of speed enforcement etc.

I feel deprived, I never get stopped/ticketed/harrassed or whatever - I ain't claiming diplomatic immunity either as my riding "associates" will vouch for. How come all you other "victims" get picked on so much? maybe it's Karma eh? No doubt Zed will have an explanation for it eh?

**Da Bird** · 29th June 2004, 00:16

Originally Posted by Lou Girardin

I'd like to know more about this 'bigger picture".
What was the 'bigger picture' when I followed a cop at 140+ km/h for the length of the Kaimais Rd...

Lou, if you give me your rego and time and date of above "offence" I'm sure we could come to some arrangement about the "bigger picture" ... (maybe they were doing a speed check on YOU!)

**Mongoose** · 29th June 2004, 10:05

Originally Posted by Lou Girardin

You're agreeing with me! Bugger, I'm slipping.
Or mellowing in my old age.

Does that mean the end to any complaits if you or your *friends*(Big assumption here) get a ticket for speeding?

Has it finally got thru to you that it is all part of the game?

**spudchucka** · 29th June 2004, 20:55

Originally Posted by scumdog

There seems to be a certain section of this site that seems to be haunted by tickets/bad cops/blue and red lights/unfair application of speed enforcement etc.

I don't know if the term "self fulfilling prophecy" has ever been suggested as a reason why certain people continually run foul of the law.

**marty** · 30th June 2004, 01:08

fire and ambos are legislatively restricted - if they want to break the rules, the have to use lights and siren. police have legilative defence if they can justify the rule breaking in the 'course of their duty'. there have been cops try (and succeed) getting off tickets cause they're speeding on the way to court/promotion exams/get search warrants signed/delivering files/picking up people from the airport.....