60 Minutes tonight (18 September)

[Hitcher]

Could somebody please record this for me as a WMV or some other format that can be played on Windows Media Player. Not the whole thing, just the animal welfare item.

Please PM me if you can/have done this. I will be ever so grateful.

And I'd also value any impartial or otherwise feedback on the tone of this item and the impressions formed by watching it.

Many thanks folks!

[98tls]

disgusting....no, worse than that....call me a soft cock but Animals deserve better than that.Makes me want to rant but wont...as i say disgusting.

[Jantar]

I found that it higlighted the worst end of the animal welfare spectrum. Certainly the hens and pigs shown on this item were not given the basics of animal welfare, yet I know many who keep hens and pigs and none are treated as bad as what was portrayed.

The section on cows was definitely an exception and not the general rule. Animals kept in the condition shown would not carry calves to full term and would not give any milk. Any dairy farmer knows that his income depends on the health of his animals, and would never allow his animals to become as malnourished as the ones show.

Overall it was a very unbalanced depiction of farm animals.

[chanceyy]

disgusting....no, worse than that....call me a soft cock but Animals deserve better than that.Makes me want to rant but wont...as i say disgusting.

bugger i missed it hon .. so what was this about ?? do tell

& its not a soft cock no animal deserves shit

[onearmedbandit]

Very onesided view of the whole industry, except for the counter argument at the end of the piece regarding farmers losing income, NZ having to import more food (probably from farm factories), and possibly the downfall of our economy. They interviewed an animal activist (a sane, normal looking one) who argued their case (with compelling video supporting his claims) and the president of the Federated Farmers, whom they made to look like an idiot. The only defense they showed him saying was the practice eliminated the 'pecking order' and resultant 'murder' of poultry and pigs by their peers which occured in natural habitats (his claims).

My feelings were those of disgust, the treatment of these animals is horrific to say the least. Whether or not they have feelings or whatever, it appears wrong on so many levels. Why it's done I can understand, the demands for more produce and lower costs means the farmer practically has no choice if s/he wants to survive. And importing more food from overseas will only transfer the problem off shore.

So where does the blame lie? The farmer who controls the stock, the corporations that encourage the practice, the government for allowing it to continue (Jim Anderton was mentioned as supporting the Animal Welfare Act, but said decisions on changes are 3-4 years away), or the consumer, who demands more product and cheaper prices?

[98tls]

bugger i missed it hon .. so what was this about ?? do tell

& its not a soft cock no animal deserves shit

You were better off for not seeing it....Pricks the lot of them..everybody is born with a conscience but somehow those basterds lost theres...Karma is a wonderful thing and when they get theres i for one will have a chuckle for sure.

[chanceyy]

You were better off for not seeing it....Pricks the lot of them..everybody is born with a conscience but somehow those basterds lost theres...Karma is a wonderful thing and when they get theres i for one will have a chuckle for sure.

we can only hope huh hon ...

nods .. it happens in all areas of animal ownership but i know most farmers who depend on their livestock for their income treat their animals real well, I live on a farm & my bro also has a dairy farm & no animals suffer..

I guess its prospective.. since i did not see the item i can not comment


I see kids mistreating animals while out & about & i get out & intervene can not stand to see animals mistreated in any way shape or form ..

[SwanTiger]

Extremely one sided and not worth my fucken time, they wouldn't of shown that article if its purpose was to put emphasis on how well our farming industry is doing and how it is the basis of our economy.

Knee jerk negativity designed to create a sensation for the viewer, like all their other stories apart from that Edna one which was boring and had no point, but ditto, it was the last story... audience has already changed the channel by then.

That Federated Farmers homo looked like an inbreed from the deep south and they made him look like an idiot as OAB said.

Fuck I hate TV.

[98tls]

hey swanny....lay off us inbreeds from the south eh....

[Edbear]

As most here did, I felt it was very one-sided and a cheap shot at sensationalism. I spent several years dealing with Dairy Farmers and while there were a few idiots, (bit like life in general, eh?), most took good care of their animals as they were their livelihood.

Just showed the Media in a bad light and confirmed my belief that it's a "ratings at all cost" mentality these days, and never mind about balance, or truth.

I have no love for those who intentionally abuse animals, it's a sick mind that can do that, but this programme was biased to say the least.

[John Banks]

It's like filming a KKK rally and saying "This is what Christians do at church". I wouldn't give it the time of day.

[98tls]

quite true ED.....but lets face it this shit does go on......

[scumdog]

And people complain about me hunting while they're chewing their Big Macs, sheesh!!

A lot of truth but still a effing media beat-up (Like Sir Helens faggot husband write-up).

[Edbear]

quite true ED.....but lets face it this shit does go on......

And those who get caught have no sympathy from me, either. I agree, I've seen some sights that would churn your stomach.

[sels1]

The item appeared to be aimed at factory farming and showed some fairly disgusting but accurate shots of battery hens and sow crates. They were less convincing on the dairy herds and didnt really have much on them, some shots of dead stock on one farm and a report on one farm manager from the northern Hawkes Bay who was prosecuted for animal mistreatment.
I think a lot of the info they were puting across was from overseas and in the case of the dairy farm wasnt entirly relevent to NZ conditions.

However the info on poultry was spot on. This is exactly how many NZ egg farms work, I have seen it first hand, and it disgusts me that there are allowed to treat animals that way in this so called civilised country. It is not difficult to farm free range eggs, many farms do it. Both are available at my supermarket so no prizes for guessing which ones we buy - consumers can make a difference.

And the sow crates are just, just... beyond bad- how can anyone treat a fellow mammal like that? These things have been banned in most European countries but the farming lobby here obviously has the Minister in their pocket as the gutless Government keeps delaying any action on these and the battery farms. And how many of you lot are buying their products? I certainly dont.


The rep from the farming industry came across as a total plonker- an evil man trying to justify cruel practices for better profits