60 Minutes tonight (18 September)

[marty]

mistreatment of animals disgusts me, however in perspective, more people are convicted of murdering/killing/maiming their children, than are convicted of the same to animals. maybe one day, when we figure out a universal humane way to treat animals, that there will be a shift in how many people treat their kids.

good thing with animal welfare, you have a choice. don't eat meat, ignore it and chow down, or grow your own and be responsible for the handling of your own food.

[marty]

The thing that struck me about this program was the fucking rich hippy and his flower children eating fuckin sushi on the beach.

Sorry Mr Fucking Sensitive Balls, not everyone can afford that kind of lifestyle and some have to settle for factory farmed produce simply because of the cost.

Wankers.

wonder where his salmon came from?

[placidfemme]

New Zealand's animal welfare standards require that animals are insensitive to pain before slaughter. They aren't electrocuted, they're electrically stunned. If you leave them for a couple of minutes they will regain consciousness. This requirement is a particular concern to New Zealand's jewish community.

"Free-range" eggs and poultry involves a lot of myths and legends about what hens do and don't do and the capacity of these sorts of production systems to cost-effectively feed large numbers of people. However, like homeopathy and iridology, it meets a particular market need and people who buy them believe they are taking some moral high path. Good on them, as long as they don't try and postulate that they can "taste the difference". Any discussion of this topic is probably better had in the Scottish thread...

I honestly couldn't say I can "taste" the difference. I choose to eat them because I think the way in which they are laid is better than battery hens, its a moral choice not a taste choice.

As for them not being in pain, I don't know enough to say yes or no, but it sounded like the pig was in pain... also that "shock" which paralises them... could you say its the same type of shock that the cops are now using with the tazers? It paralizes the criminal (or victim) long enough to be restrained, and its been reported that the 50,000 volts does infact hurt, so lets just say, this pig shock paralizes them long enough to have thier necks slit... the shock itself must hurt like the tazer hurts, and then as mentions by selz, some of them arn't affected as much by the 'shock' as others, and still are alive when being cut and skinned and whatnot... very cruel regardless

[Paul in NZ]

mistreatment of animals disgusts me, however in perspective, more people are convicted of murdering/killing/maiming their children, than are convicted of the same to animals. maybe one day, when we figure out a universal humane way to treat animals, that there will be a shift in how many people treat their kids.

good thing with animal welfare, you have a choice. don't eat meat, ignore it and chow down, or grow your own and be responsible for the handling of your own food.

Maybe just a humane way to get rid of people that abuse their kids would be more useful????

Paul N

Actually, scrub the humane bit, I hope it hurts like F**k

[chanceyy]

it was just another sensationalist report...blah!

thats normal poos ... I know when i started doing natural horsemanship with my horses I was in a highly visable spot .. right across the road from the SPCA who thought I was being cruel to my horses .. At least one of the officers knew me and actually came to find out what i was doing .. got to the stage they used to come watch me work her .. no halter, no talking just communicating with body language, Its poetry in motion & farken awesome to play with an animal like that

no matter how humane we try to be with our animals we are far kinder to animals in most aspects than we are to humans who suffer ..

& when the time comes to ease the suffering of my animals I do it in the most kindest humane way .. researching my options & discussing with my vet well in advance of the deed .. so that on the day I am not pushed into making a desision that i will regret later