What should you do if there is an intruder in your home?

**Timber020** · 20th September 2006, 21:15

I have a hydralically fed chipper. So if any of you guys need some clean up help and have no pigs handy......get some pigs, I hate having to clean the noisey beast!

Even the SWAT guys I used to work with would never use a rifle against an intruder, shotguns where generally the weopon of choice. that CHA CHA sound in the dead of night can make all the difference.

**geoffm** · 20th September 2006, 21:34

I have been told a handsaw is a mighty self defence weapon - short enough to handle in the corridor, and hard for them tae away from you. Let them grab it , then pull... You always have a good escuse for having one handy - 'just doing a bit of DIY yr honour". One of those double sided Japanese pull saws woudl be ideal - razor sharp, teeth on both sides and short enough to be handy.

Unfortuanlty the Arms Act makes shooting the scum practically impossibke - unlocking th esafe, getting the gun, unlock second safe, get bolt, unlock cupboard, get ammo, assemble, load and fire. It will be over one way or another before then.
THe Crimes Act theoreticlally gives you the right of self defence. The truth is a $50k legal bill and you have to prove you were innocent, while the scum get legal aid and better lawyers than you can afford. A right that you can't exercise is not a right. What it needs is the MPs and judges to have to deal with these scum in the same manner as the rest of us. I am damn sure they will sing a different tune after they recover from the beatings and rape.

**mikey** · 20th September 2006, 22:52

im not racist, much, but at my old flat in the broncs i was left feeling lacking, lacking of skills to defend myself, possibly my gf, if she'd given me head that night, an all my stuff, mainly my bike.

i got robbed a few times, and didn't get along to well with the local mongrel mob muts being white an cranking my music didnt go down well but riding my bike like a nut past them earned mob kudos. my gf of the time was a rich white girl an after i got robbed she said she didnt feel safe at my place. she was really nice, a great fuck, big titties so i put an alarm in an started a weapons collection. Borrowed a sawn off shoty from a friendly neighbour, hes stil on police ten 7 every now an then so decided it was a bit to hot for my needs, got a lee enfield german killer 303, but didnt like it, was heavy and long, more a sniper than uzi type gun, had a pistol for two weeks but the lack of bullets wouldnt of gone down well, so settled on a silenced semi automatic 50 shot ruger that was loaded and within arms reach of me sleepign in bed. in every room i had a bat or club of some sort, my fav being the cut down ali baseball bat in the hallway.

anyway. get home one day with the latest an find the front door open. she finds a crack pipe an empty (doh!) bag on the couch, nothing stolen, was just broken into for the use of my loungesuite while someone got fried. an scoped out the place for later. didnt think much of it til the ex started hearing noises later that night an woke me up.

i was stil quite drunk but thought im fuked if some cracked out nigga is getting my tv without a bullet in his ass so grabbed the rifle an started running around throwing light switches screaming obsceneties about killing thieving koons in my boxers. a window had been opened in the lounge and as i ran outside i heard a car starting a few houses down then tyres screeching. lucky. might of shot someone, specially if he'd pulled out a screw driver. HAHA SCREW DRIVER VS COPPER JACKET!

closest ive come to shooting a thief{who might of killed me for my bike keys}. traded the gf in for a doberman and moved shortly afterwards.

**The_Dover** · 20th September 2006, 23:02

mikey you dumb fuck.

that was your crack pipe.
and you were just hallucinating about the girlfriend. STOP FUCKING THE DOBERMAN.

**mikey** · 20th September 2006, 23:15

Originally Posted by spudchucka

You might want to re-phrase, especially if you ever impliment your plan and you end up getting questioned by the cops.
"I warned him to stop but he kept on desisting so I shot him"

why? if a thief (armed or not) wont back off - i wouldnt even give a warning shot., knee caps are hard to hit when there coming at you.
from an early age, i'd say 10yrs casue were a thick bunch of people, everyone bar a few intellectual cases know its
a) illegal to break in and
b) enter without permission
c) steal stuff
d) abuse / kill
e) rape
f) kidnap
g) burn the evidence
h) piss on the ashes
i) call the PM's husband gay
i can justify putting a bullets through someones kneecaps who is illegally and not wanted in my house in the middle of night or day. i'd be shit scared though, probably take a few bullets to get the knees. i hope the judge can see my point of view should it ever happen. maybe we should all be issued with tazers!!!!!!

**jrandom** · 21st September 2006, 04:42

One thing to bear in mind is that any weapon you use to defend yourself, you'll have to wave goodbye to immediately thereafter as it gets tagged and bagged.

So don't use your accurised floating-barrel varmint rifle with 20X Zeiss scope or your carefully restored pre-war Kar98K Mauser with all-matching serial numbers to pop the fucker.

Situations like what we're thinking of here are what $600 18" pump-action shotties were invented for. If the idea of home invasion bothers you, break the law and keep one handy, loaded with 00 buck.

Better to be tried by twelve than carried by six...

Of course, I'd never do anything like that.

Neither would I sleep with my Chinook under my pillow.

**Lou Girardin** · 21st September 2006, 06:52

Like Fish says, shotgun with the minimum legal barrel length. Even the most retarded, knuckle-dragging, monkey dancer is going to think twice when he's looking down a hole that big.

**Edbear** · 21st September 2006, 07:10

According to a certain farmer I met down in the Waikato, a certain uniformed local once told him, off the record..., after he had had his home invaded, that if one did happen to have gun in hand, warn the approaching intruder if you have time, but if he continues to approach and you feel you are threatened, fire a warning shot in the chest or head and if that doesn't work, shoot him in the ceiling, or something like that. But never shoot him in the back. Make sure the warning shot is fatal, as a jury may posibly feel some sympathy for an injured person.

**adiddy** · 21st September 2006, 09:19

yeah i think id grab whatever I had closest to me(probably a hockey stick or baseball bat which i carry in my cage) and id warn them and then take them out - knowing i kuld swing quicker than they could imagine....

"Just following what happened a few years ago you honour, when the police officer happened to warn the victim who was smashing buildings and then shot him while he was getting closer."

Oh you'l have to hit him in the front (i.e chest legs) and not from behind or they will argue that he was "just leaving" when you took him out and he was helpless.

A thief in America was on a victims house when he fell through the skylight, yes he sued the home owner and got paid out also..

As long as you then call the cops and dont take matters into your own hands you'l be fine....

**jrandom** · 21st September 2006, 10:37

Originally Posted by Edbear

According to a certain farmer I met down in the Waikato, a certain uniformed local once told him, off the record...

Pfft. It's cool, you know.

Back when I got my firearms licence, the nice old arms officer chap that visited to interview me and Mrs Fish made the comment that of course I wasn't allowed to keep guns loaded, but if an intruder ever happened to walk in holding a baseball bat while I just happened to be up late cleaning a rifle, and I just happened to be very good at getting cartridges into the magazine quickly, and I shot him, it'd be a clear and justifiable case of reasonable force used in self-defence.

Having kids in the house makes storing a defensive weapon for ready access a much more difficult proposition, of course.

**scumdog** · 21st September 2006, 11:06

Y'all must live in the wrong part of the country if you're worried about this kinda shit.

Me? I just LOOOVE the frozen unpopulated South,

sure, it's not 100% safe but it seems a lot more like the NZ I like than where you lot live.

**KLOWN** · 21st September 2006, 13:33

id get my rifle then get my two dogs to pin him up, point the rifle at him told him if he moved he'd be dead, if he did move i'd shoot him as he was coming at me because i feared for my life and therefore would be legal. also If he was unarmed i'd probably let my dogs at him and put in a couple of boots myself.

**Sniper** · 21st September 2006, 14:00

Wow, Im amazed at some of the people who have grown balls just for this thread. Well done guys

**outlawtorn** · 21st September 2006, 14:34

the best thing to do is after you have knocked them out, restrain them in a chair, then go and get a pair of strong scissors, wake them up and start cutting their toes off, first the little one, cause its the easiest, then the big one and from their its your own choice really. You could also cut them inbetween their toes and run the blade up the feet, so your run with the bone, then pour salt and vinegar to add more screaming......he he