the progressive workers' strike

[WINJA]

I Feel Sorry For Those Guys , Its Hard Yakka In Those Warehouses And They Do Get Paid Poorly , I Think Progresive Should Agree To The Pay Rise And Syphon Less Profits Off Overseas, Progresive Have Monopolised The Market When They Bought Woolworths And Have Made Bigger Profits Than Ever . Maybe We Need A Law In This Country Where The Ceo Or General Managers Total Pay Package Cannot Exceed 4 Or 5 Times That Of The Lowest Paid Worker , So If The Ceo Gets A Car And Wages And Benefits Totalling $200,000 Then The Lowest Pais Employee Must Be Paid $40 To $50k As An Example, They Could Also Put In That Law That If The Company Contracts Out That Work To Get Around The Law Then A Similar Calculation Could Be Mad For Contractors , Im Sick Of Gready Corporates Getting Rich Off The Backs Of Hard Working People , I Know Some Smart Cunts Here Will Say Vote With Your Feet Or Work For Yourself But Thats Sort Of A Let Them Eat Cake Statement So Fuck Up

[Skyryder]

'Bout right Winj. Workers in this county have been shafted too long. Good to see somebody with the balls to do something about it.

Skyryder

[WINJA]

'Bout right Winj. Workers in this county have been shafted too long. Good to see somebody with the balls to do something about it.

Skyryder

THEY GOT BALLS ALRIGHT AND IM CURRENTLY VOTING WITH MY WALLET AND NOT SHOPPING AT THE LOCAL PROGRESIVE STORE

[SwanTiger]

WINJA, I like your idea relating to the capped wage for company executives based on a calculation in comparison to the lowest paid wage. However it is a pity that such a thing will never come to fruition because of the personalities currently involved in our countries core decision making.

WINJA, why do you care about the percentage of our population that you would deem hard working?

[Finn]

Okay, just as long as when the company goes under (cause it couldn't survive under this scenario), all the staff have to cough up the same percentage.

Besides, inflation would go through the roof as the consumers would have to pay for this.

[WINJA]

WINJA, I like your idea relating to the capped wage for company executives based on a calculation in comparison to the lowest paid wage. However it is a pity that such a thing will never come to fruition because of the personalities currently involved in our countries core decision making.

WINJA, why do you care about the percentage of our population that you would deem hard working?

I KNOW IM NOT IN THAT SITUATION BUT WE ALL KNOW SOMEONE WHO IS ON THE BOTTOM TIER WAGE BRACKET , ALL NZ'ERS DESERVE A FAIR WAGE DEAL

[Fub@r]

So you would probably be in the camp whereby you feel all employees should have profits divided unmongst them for their hard labour? But I bet if the company made a loss the following year you wouldn't put money in to make it up

Yes companies make profits, they also make losses, they also have shareholders that expect a return on their money. Some of those shareholders may even be some of the employees. The company has a responsibility to both parties, its a matter of finding a balance.

Also if the cost of living is outstripping peoples earnings maybe you could ask the Labour Governement for a tax cut, they are as bad as any mutinational corperate and they are ripping everyone off, but 40% of this country votes for them

[Quasievil]

I Feel Sorry For Those Guys , Its Hard Yakka In Those Warehouses And They Do Get Paid Poorly , I Think Progresive Should Agree To The Pay Rise And Syphon Less Profits Off Overseas, Progresive Have Monopolised The Market When They Bought Woolworths And Have Made Bigger Profits Than Ever . Maybe We Need A Law In This Country Where The Ceo Or General Managers Total Pay Package Cannot Exceed 4 Or 5 Times That Of The Lowest Paid Worker , So If The Ceo Gets A Car And Wages And Benefits Totalling $200,000 Then The Lowest Pais Employee Must Be Paid $40 To $50k As An Example, They Could Also Put In That Law That If The Company Contracts Out That Work To Get Around The Law Then A Similar Calculation Could Be Mad For Contractors , Im Sick Of Gready Corporates Getting Rich Off The Backs Of Hard Working People , I Know Some Smart Cunts Here Will Say Vote With Your Feet Or Work For Yourself But Thats Sort Of A Let Them Eat Cake Statement So Fuck Up

I was always told that you only get out what you put in, ie if your dont study hard at school and dont invest in your future then you get fuck all, if on the other hand you study hard at school and make something of your self you get the big bucks, sorry winja, its the law of the jungle , always will be.

[WINJA]

Okay, just as long as when the company goes under (cause it couldn't survive under this scenario), all the staff have to cough up the same percentage.

Besides, inflation would go through the roof as the consumers would have to pay for this.

YOU GET THE BASICS OF THIS IDEA , I DONT HAVE ALL THE DEATILS WORKED OUT , IM NOT AN ACCOUNTANT, I THINK ITS JAPAN THAT HAS A LOSELY BASED SAME IDEA AND THEIR ECONOMY SEEMS TO BE DOING OK , MAYBE ITS CAUSE THE MORE YOU GOT IN YOUR POCKET THE MORE YOU SPEND

[Goblin]

I was always told that you only get out what you put in, ie if your dont study hard at school and dont invest in your future then you get fuck all, if on the other hand you study hard at school and make something of your self you get the big bucks, sorry winja, its the law of the jungle , always will be.

If that's the case then why are there so many university educated people working in gas stations & at supermarkets? Or worse, fucking off overseas! Why is it that some folk who never even got school C are in high paid managment jobs? It's not what you know, it's whose arse you lick!

[SwanTiger]

I was always told that you only get out what you put in, ie if your dont study hard at school and dont invest in your future then you get fuck all, if on the other hand you study hard at school and make something of your self you get the big bucks, sorry winja, its the law of the jungle , always will be.

I partly agree with the point you are trying to convey although using education as part of your analogy is falsely brass or perhaps ignorant of reality.

The real issue here, from my perspective, is the level of commitment these employee's offer the employer and how that commitment is rewarded. I use to work for a company that has an extremely high staff turnover rate and this was directly due to the lack of humanity shown by management. After my experience as an employee of said company I can fully appreciate the concerns of those on strike.

Although to be honest I don't really give a shit as this is a matter of life and human complexities. Nothing really changes. I'm going to enjoy it while I'm still alive. I might even go and find something more constructive to do with my time, however for now I'll continue to post shit on Kiwi Biker.

Thank you.

[Quasievil]

If that's the case then why are there so many university educated people working in gas stations & at supermarkets? Why is it that some folk who never even got school C are in high paid managment jobs? It's not what you know, it's who you brown-tounge!

True, however how long are they in gas stations for, and if they give up they are screwed to.
But Im in the other camp personally, didnt do SC but I had a brain and worked hard, no brown nosing no parents just me
I do agree with WINJAS idea though, just that its against the way of the world in most cases, thats unfortunate yes but its economic reality

[WINJA]

So you would probably be in the camp whereby you feel all employees should have profits divided unmongst them for their hard labour? But I bet if the company made a loss the following year you wouldn't put money in to make it up

Yes companies make profits, they also make losses, they also have shareholders that expect a return on their money. Some of those shareholders may even be some of the employees. The company has a responsibility to both parties, its a matter of finding a balance.

Also if the cost of living is outstripping peoples earnings maybe you could ask the Labour Governement for a tax cut, they are as bad as any mutinational corperate and they are ripping everyone off, but 40% of this country votes for them

I KNOW THE GAP IS TO BIG WHEN THE GUY STACKING SHELVES HAS TO CHOOSE BETWEEN GETTING HIMSELF CHECKED OUT AT THE DOCTORS OR GETTING NEW SHOES FOR HIS DAUGHTER MEANWHILE THE CEO OF THE COMPANY HE WORKS FOR HAS TO CHOOSE BETWEEN THE POWER BOAT OR SAILBOAT HE OWNS TO TAKE OUT THIS 3DAY WEEKEND HES TREATING HIMSELF TO, MEANWHILE HIS SHELF STACKER HAS DECIDED TO WORK 7 DAYS THIS WEEK INSTEAD OF 6 CAUSE HIS DAUGHTER REALLY NEEDS THOSE SHOES.

ANY WHY THE FUCK DO FAILED CEO'S GET GOLDEN HANDSHAKES YET THE WORKERS THEY LAID OFF GET FUCK ALL.
AND WHY DID THE HAWKINS GUY THAT BUILT THE HILTON GET TO KEEP HIS $1,000,000 MANSION MEANWHILE THE PLASTERERS FROM WHANGAREI HE HIRED LOST THERE HOMES CAUSE HE DIDNT PAY THEM AND THEY DIDNT PAY THEIR MORTGAGE AND TO MAKE IT WORSE THEIR TOOLS WERE LOCKED IN THE CLOSED SITE WHICH WAS UNDER GUARD

[Quasievil]

I use to work for a company that has an extremely high staff turnover rate and this was directly due to the lack of humanity shown by management. After my experience as an employee of said company I can fully appreciate the concerns of those on strike.

Same I worked for a company that had over 100% once, but no doubt like you I left, I feel sorry for the underdog in most situations, no one wants these situations. I would probably pay extra $ to have better wages for all NZrs, but how would that be administered?

[Finn]

Academic education is not the answer. I've hired people with all sorts of letters after their name and they have been the worst employees ever. I go for attitude, experience and communication skills. If you ain't hungry and self motivated, no amount of education will help you.

The lowest paid person in my company gets $15 an hour plus some perks. The maximum paid person gets over $200k PA. I have more problems with the higher paid people than the rest. I make sure the lower paid people are respected and if anyone in the Co looks down on them, they'll be cleaning the toilet for a month. I do my best to look after these people and give them pizza Friday's and nights out when productivity is up. I also know all of their names and walk through daily talking to them. I'd prefer to pay the lower paid people more but there just isn't the money at the moment and I really want that new Ferarri.

Meanwhile our customers screw us for lower prices, our suppliers screw us for more money and the Government keeps interfering.

It's tough out there. Balance is what is needed.