Dead right. After reading a couple of papers by Lord Winston when I was at University a couple of years ago, I became an advocate of beginning driver training at 24.Originally Posted by Filterer
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Dead right. After reading a couple of papers by Lord Winston when I was at University a couple of years ago, I became an advocate of beginning driver training at 24.
If a man is alone in the woods and there isn't a woke Hollywood around to call him racist, is he still white?
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But they learn better at that age - and with a good teacher that can be taken advantage of.I also disagree with having to be trained by an ortharised blah,blah,blah.We taught both our daughters to drive - my wife doing the initial hand holding,once they could progress down the road in a straight line I took over....before sitting their test they had a lesson with an instructor to tidy up the rough edges.Both my daughters are far better drivers than their partners.
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One hell of a ride.
I could wheelstand a motorcycle at age 9 and was comfortably driving a car at 10. Got my L's the day I was old enough and my licence the same and didn't have a stack till i was 40.
Crapola to use the esperanto Jimbo.
I'm with motu - they just need to be taught better.
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my 15 year old is sitting his learners next week...and yes i am terrified.not so much for his judgement of speed and such but how will he react in an emergency situation....hell i suffer the same risks as him everytime i get in the car dont I ??as we live rurally it is the norm to be driving at 15 ,almost a necessty not to mention its bloody good timing as he can drive me round when i get outa hospital next week....not all teenagers are dipshits........(or do I just live in hope???)
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Wouldn't it have been more relevant to compare a 15-year old with a 25-year old driver on their first six months of driving unsupervised on a restricted licence? Or if they recommend 17 or 18 being an appropriate age, shouldn't they have compared the 15 year-olds with 17 and 18 year-olds of the same driving experience?It could take a 15-year-old up to 30 per cent longer than an experienced driver to respond to problems on the road. For the first six months of driving unsupervised on a restricted licence, a 15-year-old was 19 times more at risk of a mishap than a 25- year-old with driving experience.
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Of course, but why would you want to make a fair comparison when it would get in the way of a good story?
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No - not all teens are dipshits, but most are prone to bursts of frivilous behaviour (as am I...)
Reacting in an emergency is a god place for concern, and the best training is to go through those emergencies... of course the safest place to go through them is when there are no cars around, or in a controlled manner.
On the track or (as you're rural) in a paddock in a car. Straight after haymaking maybe? Great way to learn to control skids. Have timed laps or something to make it a game - they'll be beating you in no time... a good sign... it shows their skill levels are going up.
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Well no fucking kidding? Of course someone that is more aware of harzards due to being an experienced driver is going to react faster than someone who is learning. For example I now know to slow down a bit more for a certain corner than I would've done as a learner as I have now learnt that corner was dodgy. It's just some more media bullshit designed to get readers to take their side, they should at least comapare a 15 year old learner to a 25 year old learner to get their point across more accurately.
However, getting my bike licence at 15 and can possibly get my full (after doing the defensive) next month, I know first hand how stupid kids my age and myself can be. I saw a girl I liked on the footpath the other day and my instant reaction was to rev harder. And even then I'm one of the smarter people who 99.9% of the time sticks to the speed limit. I hear my cager friends bragging and laughing about doing 200 along the highway every morning on the way to school. My bike maxes out at 180, and I found that out on the track.
EDIT: In other words I do believe the age should go up. I've only really become a safer rider cause I've made the newbie mistakes, luckily all but 1 of them on the track and dirt. You are going to get a massive uprising from all the 14 year olds though. I'd also like to think I have better reactions than most, not that I'm going to test them anywhere other than on computer games.
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I was driving graders, bulldozers, scrapers, front end loaders and trucks at 10.
I was crashing into fenceposts on a DT100 and jumping creeks at 12.
I still made piss poor decisions on the road in my teens.
As all the research says, teens learn better than adults, that's true, their motor skills are generally superior, that's true, but the thing that most often kills people is judgement, more correctly the lack of it.
Teenagers place very little value on life. They have ALWAYS been the willing participants in life threatening activities, like war, and driving in France or Italy because it won't happen to them, and there's no such thing as tomorrow anyway.
If a man is alone in the woods and there isn't a woke Hollywood around to call him racist, is he still white?
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Move with the Times benben MCJIM is on the arse of the bike now.That's cos you drive a bright red penis extension with
MCJIM
as the number plate!!
Anyone wanna buy a bright red penis extension?
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I reckon that is a great plan Mcjim, I have been saying for years that making all licence holders ride a scooter or bike for the first 2 years of road use would make them all much better drivers and road users in general. Your perception of risk and vulnerability goes up and your awareness of other traffic goes way up, an experience I'm sure most riders would agree with and acknowlege, it is not easily forgotten.
I seriously doubt it would ever happen though, bugger.
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Yep, I think you're on to something there Jim2. I've always been a bit non plussed when people blithely state that training will always provide a solution.
I guess you end up with a very well trained immature driver/rider. Training just ignores the whole maturity of judgement issue.
While I wouldn't read a hell of a lot in the press release that started this thread statistically younger drivers have a lot of the accidents. In my opinion pretty all accidents are down to lack of judgement, whatever is stated as being the major contributing factors. (Drinking and driving, excess corner speed, etc, are all bad judgement calls). I guess expecting some poor teenager, who is coping with all the physical and mental changes associated with that wonderful time, to be able to make consistent, considered judgements is a bit too much.
I hope that makes some sense.
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Ok so a 30 year old inexperienced untrained driver is better?? There is some funny facts being used to justify his claim, of course someone who is just starting driving is going to be 30 % longer in reaction times. Same as an inexperienced 40 year old, who is going to be even worse!It could take a 15-year-old up to 30 per cent longer than an experienced driver to respond to problems on the road. For the first six months of driving unsupervised on a restricted licence, a 15-year-old was 19 times more at risk of a mishap than a 25- year-old with driving experience.
If it aint broke dont fix it!
For the number of vehicles on the road our road toll aint too bad, and by increasing the age limit you are still going to have the same problem just up the age range as the young people with no self control are there at 18.
Just make licensing harder.
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just take all women and non europeans off the road and ban all those gay jap boy racer cars.
you have the choice of a motorcycle, a beige austin allegro or a baby shit yellow daihatsu charade until you're 21.
sweet, problem solved.
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